Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

[Judy Taylor]

 

 

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:14:45 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

They have roads named after you JD :)   

They are all listed un "straight and narrow."   

 

jt: The ones I was thinking of were "One Way"

How is it you want to call "the fall" a "doctrine of original sin" and insist that noone is judged beforel they presonally sin.

 

You do this not me.   I don't believe the fall has anything to do with original sin, but you do, of course.  The answer to the last part of your question is Ro 5:12  ("we all die because we all sin").

 

jt: What does the fall have to do with then? We are born under a curse because of Adam's fall

and for this reason death reigns and this is why we are so in need of a daysman redeemer.

 

You continue to ignore Ro 5:12 which plainly contradicts your theory.  Why?

 

jt: I don't ignore any scripture JD; Rom 5:12 validates rather than contradicts the rest of

scripture.  What does a sinner by definition do?  They sin. Do you know of any person born

into this world other than the Lord Jesus Christ who was born free from it?

 

But when it comes to "righteousness" you appear to be holding to some kind of exaggerated "positional truth" doctrine where Christ did it all for you and you just need to receive - it is conferred on you by faith whether or not you walk in righteousness because he has done it for you. 

 

Exactly  -  but you think this translates into a "free ride" of unholy living and rebellion -  which it does not. 

 

jt: Oh really? Well I'm glad to hear this.  I wasn't sure what it translated into.

 

You certainly have not been shy with your bias in the past.

 

jt: I wouldn't call it "bias" exactly JD. You do come across as extremely liberal most of the time.

If you won't accept the first Adam fell and you inherited the fallout how can you so easily believe that the righteousness of the second Adam is just layed on you with no responsibility on your part?  Isn't this a little lopsided?  

 

Easy.   The first nuance has no Bible to support it; the second does.  I do not inherit Adam's sin.  

Where is this taught?  JD

 

jt: In Genesis 3:17-20 when A&E along with the creation were cursed and the first two people

were driven from the garden so that they could not eat from the tree of life.  We are born through

procreation and all of us have genealogy going back to him.  You know that everyone has to die - where did that come from?  Why does everyone sin and why does everyone  have to die JD?

 

Adam had the very same nature as the rest of us  --  no different.   He was created as a mortal being.  

 

jt: No Adam was created in the image of God which is NOT the very same nature the rest of us

are born with;  and he did not become mortal until after the fall.  The tree of life is eternal, it

is when he lost access to that he became mortal because he had to eat from the tree of

good & evil which is death.

 

He received temptation in the very same way we do.   He actually transgressed the will of God in a number of ways before he ate of the fruit......

 

jt: He was tested in the same way we are but where are these other transgressions? Chapter and

verse for them please JD.

 

but he was only accountable for the eating of the fruit.  transgression and guilt go hand in hand. 

 

jt: He was accountable for doing what he was told not to do which is blatant rebellion.

 

Everyone dies because everyone sins  (Ro 5:12). 

Why does everyone sin?   That is a very good question.  Rather than give you a knee-jerk reply,  

I am going to spend a little on this issue.    Stay toned.  JD

 

jt: Waiting with bated breath .... judyt