Jer But thou shalt say unto them,
This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their
God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and
is cut off from their mouth.
Did JT say he was a "willing servant of Satan"? Are you saying JT
"HATES" DH, she is unloving? I do not think JT or anyone here questions
DH's sincerity!!!!
Paul did not question the sincerity or zealousness of his people
the Jews, just their KNOWledge of the TRUTH!
RM 10 For I bear them record that
they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
He then proceeds Verse 3 to call them IGNORANT the root of
IGNORAMUS! Be a nice Christian Paul stop calling names. Why not get mad
at Paul he was a name caller, JT did not call DH a name did she?
Someone once said,
Am I become your enemy because I tell you the TRUTH?
I'm sorry I do not think JT is "looking for excuses to
disparage" anymore than Paul was, just standing up for what she
believes in.
Are you preaching TOLERANCE? "Tolerance is the
virtue of the man without convictions." G K Chesterton
I can see somewhat how you FEEL but see this as the first step
down the slippery slope into the abyss of heresy or at least luke warm
feel good Christianity. Remember there are NO Heresies in a DEAD Faith.
Are you preaching always be positive, be nice?
How does one obey the command to REPROVE & REBUKE while yet
being positive. I would say that correction of Error is in itself
positive, loving and Charitable. Those that hate Rebuke are Brutes
& will die proverbs 12:1 & 15:10
The word of God is given for Reproof, Correction and
instruction. 2 Tim 3:16
Cultivating Truth requires the Rooting out of Error, this is not
a pleasant process especially to weeds.
Prov 15:10 Correction is grievous
unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
Is this not just an underhanded attempt at Compromise rather
than Truth? Lets have unity at the expense of truth, pass the poison
PLEASE! Confederacy with error is INFIDELITY to God!
Do as your conscience demands, be a nice polite christian like
JD I intend to FIGHT the GOOD FIGHT of FAITH!
By entertaining of strange persons,
men sometimes entertain angels unawares: but by entertaining of strange
doctrines, many have entertained devils unaware.--
John Flavel
"Before I preach love, mercy, and grace, I must preach sin, Law,
and judgement." -John Wesley
"From the Liberality which says that everybody is right; from
the Charity which forbids to say that anybody is wrong;
from the Peace which is bought at the expense of Truth; may the good
Lord deliver us" (J.C. Ryle).
"On all hands we hear cries for unity in this
and unity in that; but in our mind the main need of this age is not
compromise but conscientiousness. ‘First pure, then peaceable...’ It is
easy to cry, ‘A confederacy,’ but that union that is not based on the
truth of God is rather a conspiracy than a communion. Charity
by all means: but honesty also. Love of course, but love to God as well
as love to men, and love of truth as well as love of union. It
is exceedingly difficult in these times to preserve one’s fidelity
before God and one’s fraternity among men. Should not the former be
preferred to the latter if both cannot be maintained? We think so"
(C.H. Spurgeon).
The unattended garden will soon be overrun with weeds; the heart that
fails to cultivate truth and root out error
will shortly be a theological wilderness. A.W. Tozer
Kevin,
it was, in my opinion, mean to cast Dave as a dispenser of spiritual
poison and it was mean to suggest that I would approve of it if he
did. Dave is usually on the learning end of these discussions. He
seldom tries to teach, and when he does, he is teaching what he
honestly believes, just as we all are. To me, there is a vast
difference between being in error because of what you have been taught
and being a willing servant of Satan. My whole point of my original
post was that we need to stop the sarcasm, adopt the mind of Christ,
then love and pray for folks who may be in error rather than look for
excuses to disparage them. I know after three years what he believes,
just as I know what the others here believe. I have decided to love
you all anyway.
Terry
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Mean?
What exactly did JT do that was "mean"? Other than disagree.
Give
me a little credit, Judy. I suggested that you follow his example of
being courteous and respectful. Your comment was mean and uncalled
for. You know better.
Terry
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Judy Taylor wrote:
Let's get real here Terry ...
Satan comes as an angel of light - so are you saying that it's OK to
dispense
spiritual poison so long as one
is nice, polite, and dosen't offend anyone? That is how all cults
begin....
Stay tuned. Maybe you can learn from observing
others, possibly Dave Hansen.
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:33:59 -0500 Terry Clifton <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
I think we could start by being graceful, showing
grace rather than sarcasm, being more concerned about loving our
neighbor or our enemy than we are about pointing out errors in what
they believe. I am not suggesting that you adopt their position or
that you compromise what you believe.
I agree with you about the
sarcasm Terry - however the above kind of grace could also be perceived
as "being patronizing" especially since it is not possible to give
anyone a hug or a glass of cold water.
I am saying that if you cannot agree, consider
that they are being sincere even if they are in error, and with that in
mind, very politely ask questions that will help them understand better
as well as help you understand them better.
I don't know how to do that
Terry - I think Izzy is much better at it than me but sometimes her
questions are
misunderstood and she is
accused or less than godly motives. What's wrong with believing the
best of ppl
and questioning and
examining doctrine?
Try to remember that your opinion and three
dollars will get you a whopper at Burger King. Do not over estimate
the value of your contribution to the conversation. You do not have to
jump on every word someone else speaks, and when you do, it simply
creates a situation where everyone digs in their heels and butts heads
and everyone ends up defending their position instead of trying to
understand what the other guy is trying to say.
FWIW in this group I don't
believe there can be a conversation without some butting of heads. What
is believing one thing in the heart and speaking something else out of
the mouth called again? It's either butt heads or be silent.
Jesus, Peter and Paul spoke a great deal about
loving others. They said very little about winning a debate.
For what it's worth. Terry
I don't know about all that
Terry. Peter and Paul didn't always agree and Paul and Barnabus parted
ways over
John Mark - and these are
just the few instances we know about .... Nothing wrong with honest
discussion so
far as I'm concerned and
some communication is better than none.
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Judy Taylor wrote:
We
are all proudly proclaiming how right we are, but to claim that we are
doing it in love would be a bald faced lie. The fault does not lie
with you alone as I have been as guilty as anyone, and it is not only
the fault of the Fundies as the Libs can be just as mean spirited as
well.
How would you say one is to love over the internet
Terry?
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