Liberals always endeavor to silence dissenting voices. In this case it is also a masochistic maneuver. iz
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit Sometimes, when hearing from you Iz, I'm reminded of Paul's description of those women of whom he asked silence. I don't wish to employ Paul's vocabulary but, you can check it out for yourself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: October 06, 2005 09:48 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit > God's WORD is infallible, Lance. At least WE see that, and that is why we > run to it for our guidance, unlike those who believe that is pointless. > izzy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit > > Until you demonstrate INFALLIBILITY David Miller, I speak from where you > speak from. The fact that you cannot 'see' and, so regularly mishandle the > 'Words of life' is not my problem. That problem David Miller is yours. > > It is not I alone on TT David, who have concluded the above as you well > know. Some, much better equipped than I, have engaged you patiently and > over > time, quite unsuccessfully. You know this to be so. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: October 06, 2005 09:28 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit > > >> JD wrote: >>> I know that "........ this is not what [you] meant......" >>> But what you intend and what is reality, in this case, >>> are two very different things. It is always "what you >>> believe the bible says" and never "this is what the Bible >>> says." You've got to try to remember that. >> >> Wrong, JD. This is deception. If I adopted this perspective, then it >> would >> become all about ME and what I THINK. My perspective right now is that >> my >> interpretation matters little. I do the best I can to understand what >> the >> Bible says, and to hear God's voice in my spirit. When I express that, >> yes, >> you are hearing my interpretation. But my interpretation means nothing. >> My >> interpretation might be modified somewhat by something you say, or by >> something Lance says, or by something Izzy says, etc. etc. When I ask >> about >> what the Bible says, I mean exactly that. What is the meaning meant by >> the >> author, the Holy Spirit. I am soliciting the interpretation of others, >> expressing what I see in the passage, and asking others to tell me how >> they >> interpret such passages by the Holy Spirit. We all ought to have this >> perspective of, "what does God's Word say," NOT, "what does our >> interpretation of God's Word say." All of our interpretations should be >> subject to correction. This is true humility. >> >> JD wrote: >>> "Interpretation" is what you do when you try to discover >>> the specific meaning of a ANY AND ALL passages of >>> scripture. God most definitely works in this process but >>> this interpretive discovery or enlightenment can never be >>> understood in terms of divine revelation as when God gave >>> the meaning of dreams to Daniel. >> >> Why not? The Bible gives us examples of this. Such illustrates that God >> works this way. Who are you to say that God no longer works this way? >> What >> is your authority for making such an assertion? >> >> JD wrote: >>> Providential enlightenment is a very personal circumstance >>> and it is directly tied to where you are in terms of spiritual >>> maturity. >> >> Not always. Samuel was not very mature when he first heard the voice of >> the >> Lord. >> >> JD wrote: >>> What specifically did you question in "our" presentation? >>> Give me a starting point and we will proceed. >> >> I quoted it for you in my post. The reason I cut and paste what somebody >> says is to draw attention specifically to what I am questioning. Here it >> is >> again: >> >> Lance wrote: >>> As 'believers, we 'participate' (in our relationship with Him >>> and with each other) inadequately and incompletely EVERY >>> DAY. This is the reality of the Christian life. Any voice, human >>> or otherwise, who would suggest that this is not the case speaks >>> against the truth of the gospel. >> >> Such a statement denies the power of the blood of the cross. This is not >> good news. This is not the gospel. I much prefer the words of Jesus: >> >> John 8:32-36 >> (32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. >> (33) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage >> to >> any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? >> (34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever >> committeth sin is the servant of sin. >> (35) And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son >> abideth >> ever. >> (36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. >> >> I understand Jesus to be saying that the Son makes us free from being a >> servant of sin. Furthermore, he does this through causing us to know and >> understand TRUTH. Lance says, "if you think that, you are deceived, >> wrong, >> etc." What is Lance's authority for disagreeing? He is his own >> authority, >> because he does not appeal to Scripture to instruct us in the way of >> righteousness. If Lance does not speak from revelation or from >> Scripture, >> then he speaks from himself. >> >> Now your comments seek to make me confess that I speak from myself too. >> That is why you want to focus upon my INTERPRETATION of the Bible rather >> than THE BIBLE. The truth of this matter is that I do not speak from >> myself. I speak from God's Word, so your philosophy that everybody >> speaks >> only from their own interpretation and that everybody will inadequately >> apprehend Christ will gain no ground with me. >> >> Peace be with you. >> David Miller. >> >> ---------- >> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >> know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >> http://www.InnGlory.org >> >> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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