And you believe this is in church??? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit
So then, you believe Paul to have been both a liberal and masochistic? Yikes! ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: October 06, 2005 11:17 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit > Liberals always endeavor to silence dissenting voices. In this case it is > also a masochistic maneuver. iz > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit > > Sometimes, when hearing from you Iz, I'm reminded of Paul's description of > those women of whom he asked silence. I don't wish to employ Paul's > vocabulary but, you can check it out for yourself. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: October 06, 2005 09:48 > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit > > >> God's WORD is infallible, Lance. At least WE see that, and that is why >> we >> run to it for our guidance, unlike those who believe that is pointless. >> izzy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir >> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:41 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit >> >> Until you demonstrate INFALLIBILITY David Miller, I speak from where you >> speak from. The fact that you cannot 'see' and, so regularly mishandle >> the >> 'Words of life' is not my problem. That problem David Miller is yours. >> >> It is not I alone on TT David, who have concluded the above as you well >> know. Some, much better equipped than I, have engaged you patiently and >> over >> time, quite unsuccessfully. You know this to be so. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: October 06, 2005 09:28 >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit >> >> >>> JD wrote: >>>> I know that "........ this is not what [you] meant......" >>>> But what you intend and what is reality, in this case, >>>> are two very different things. It is always "what you >>>> believe the bible says" and never "this is what the Bible >>>> says." You've got to try to remember that. >>> >>> Wrong, JD. This is deception. If I adopted this perspective, then it >>> would >>> become all about ME and what I THINK. My perspective right now is that >>> my >>> interpretation matters little. I do the best I can to understand what >>> the >>> Bible says, and to hear God's voice in my spirit. When I express that, >>> yes, >>> you are hearing my interpretation. But my interpretation means nothing. >>> My >>> interpretation might be modified somewhat by something you say, or by >>> something Lance says, or by something Izzy says, etc. etc. When I ask >>> about >>> what the Bible says, I mean exactly that. What is the meaning meant by >>> the >>> author, the Holy Spirit. I am soliciting the interpretation of others, >>> expressing what I see in the passage, and asking others to tell me how >>> they >>> interpret such passages by the Holy Spirit. We all ought to have this >>> perspective of, "what does God's Word say," NOT, "what does our >>> interpretation of God's Word say." All of our interpretations should be >>> subject to correction. This is true humility. >>> >>> JD wrote: >>>> "Interpretation" is what you do when you try to discover >>>> the specific meaning of a ANY AND ALL passages of >>>> scripture. God most definitely works in this process but >>>> this interpretive discovery or enlightenment can never be >>>> understood in terms of divine revelation as when God gave >>>> the meaning of dreams to Daniel. >>> >>> Why not? The Bible gives us examples of this. Such illustrates that >>> God >>> works this way. Who are you to say that God no longer works this way? >>> What >>> is your authority for making such an assertion? >>> >>> JD wrote: >>>> Providential enlightenment is a very personal circumstance >>>> and it is directly tied to where you are in terms of spiritual >>>> maturity. >>> >>> Not always. Samuel was not very mature when he first heard the voice of >>> the >>> Lord. >>> >>> JD wrote: >>>> What specifically did you question in "our" presentation? >>>> Give me a starting point and we will proceed. >>> >>> I quoted it for you in my post. The reason I cut and paste what >>> somebody >>> says is to draw attention specifically to what I am questioning. Here >>> it >>> is >>> again: >>> >>> Lance wrote: >>>> As 'believers, we 'participate' (in our relationship with Him >>>> and with each other) inadequately and incompletely EVERY >>>> DAY. This is the reality of the Christian life. Any voice, human >>>> or otherwise, who would suggest that this is not the case speaks >>>> against the truth of the gospel. >>> >>> Such a statement denies the power of the blood of the cross. This is >>> not >>> good news. This is not the gospel. I much prefer the words of Jesus: >>> >>> John 8:32-36 >>> (32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. >>> (33) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage >>> to >>> any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? >>> (34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever >>> committeth sin is the servant of sin. >>> (35) And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son >>> abideth >>> ever. >>> (36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. >>> >>> I understand Jesus to be saying that the Son makes us free from being a >>> servant of sin. Furthermore, he does this through causing us to know >>> and >>> understand TRUTH. Lance says, "if you think that, you are deceived, >>> wrong, >>> etc." What is Lance's authority for disagreeing? He is his own >>> authority, >>> because he does not appeal to Scripture to instruct us in the way of >>> righteousness. If Lance does not speak from revelation or from >>> Scripture, >>> then he speaks from himself. >>> >>> Now your comments seek to make me confess that I speak from myself too. >>> That is why you want to focus upon my INTERPRETATION of the Bible rather >>> than THE BIBLE. The truth of this matter is that I do not speak from >>> myself. I speak from God's Word, so your philosophy that everybody >>> speaks >>> only from their own interpretation and that everybody will inadequately >>> apprehend Christ will gain no ground with me. >>> >>> Peace be with you. >>> David Miller. >>> >>> ---------- >>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >>> know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >>> http://www.InnGlory.org >>> >>> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a >>> friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. >>> >> >> >> ---------- >> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >> know >> how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >> http://www.InnGlory.org >> >> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a >> friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. >> >> >> >> ---------- >> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >> know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >> http://www.InnGlory.org >> >> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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