Re: [TruthTalk] God is a Relational God: Father, Son, Spirit

[Judy Taylor]

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:20:06 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

There are no known time limits for immaturity.   God is patient and forgiving . 

 

There are limits JD though they may not be widely known.  Israel reached them.

and God was just as patient and forgiving then. He has not changed His personality. 

Think about it - one whole generation had to die in the wilderness; and later the

whole nation was taken into captivity. Hosea 4:6 is every bit as relevant today.

In fact I see the Natalee Holloway incident as a perfect example of this. She was a

good Baptist girl and both parents are good Baptists. Obviously the girl was naive

and spiritually undiscerning.  She had no business being where she was and had

no defense in dealing with the wolves she was confronted with there - from all

appearances she has perished leaving a grieving family. Is God glorified in this??

 

Condemnation has been removed  -- something upon which you and I disagree. 

 

Only for those walking after the Spirit JD (see Romans 8:1,2 in something other

than the NIV) Those walking after the flesh will continue to produce it's fruit

 

When it comes to counsel, Judy,  you have no message of hope for those who are

trapped within their own finiteness.  

 

Of course I have JD, my message is that Jesus died so that they can be free in

their walk .. not just their talk.

 

The gospel I know to be true is that which proclaims deliverance from the

penalties of sin,  not necessarily from the effects of sin.  So, the addict has all

the time in world to make the changes he needs to make. 

 

I don't believe it is the same gospel as the one that I know to be true JD.

We are saved from the wrath of God when we exchange sin for righteousness in

Christ.  However, the results/effects of sin will remain so long as one is sinning.

Sin is deceitful; I know a girl who made a committment to Christ but is not willing

to trust Him in an area causing her to have cluster migraines. She has not been

delivered from these and is now to the point of getting around with a morphine

pump which over time is becoming less effective.  Is this your gospel JD? 

 

He does have choices to make if his life is to be what God in Christ has ordained

it to be via the accomplishment of the reconciliation of all things.   Grace verses

works of law.  Jd 

 

Grace in my gospel JD is the power to overcome. How can one who is overcome

by sin and sickness (hobbling about with a morphine pump) be one with an

overcoming people who will judge nations?  If your gospel does not cause them

to become victors in Christ - then it is one that is void of power and your definition

of grace in actuality is a cover for sin.

 

 

From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>

JD writes:

 

jt: Both God and the devil know when they are being conned; a sincere baby believer who is

doing the best they know how may be protected for a time.  However, the curse is all over

those who are still on pablum when they should be ready for strong meat. 

 

Baloney. 

 

I find your response here both amazing and disheartening JD - especially since you

are out there trying to counsel ppl and spread what you believe.  Don't you pay any

mind to the example of Israel and the repeated warnings to us not to replicate their

folly and here you are not only advocating doing the same but encouraging others.

 

Please do a study on the doctrine of Balaam.