Re: [TruthTalk] The TEXT will never be uniformily apprehended!!!

Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:55:20 -0700

You didn't answer my question.   Care to reboot? 
 
Jd 
 
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Obedience/disobedience is something we choose JD and we need to be taught that responsibility for the
consequences of our choice will be ours whether or not we like them; this is what our 3yr old grandson needs
to learn so that hopefully he will make wise choices in life.
 
Obedience/disobedience has to do with where we walk - in blessing or under curses - you can read about
them in Deuteronomy 28.
 
 
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At what point do you all consider your grandchild to be something other than a family member  --  during his times of discipline?   When he is disobedient but not caught, yet?   When he starts smoking or when he challenges going to church?  Obedience/disobedience has to do with how we live our lives and nothing to do with our adoptive circumstance. 
 
Jd 
 
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:14:52 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Indeed Judy, He does honour His Word (the text of Scripture is meant here)! He even, IMO, honours, on occasion, both SOME misinterpretations and SOME misrepresentations of His Word.
 
I am forced to disagree with the above Lance, and the hymnwriters would agree - Haven't you ever sung...
"When we walk with the Lord in the light of His Word
What a glory He sheds on our way
While we do His good will, He abides with us still
And with all who will trust and obey" .... Like our 3yr old grandson who needs to be taught, we don't like to obey do we??
 
I do believe that much of the fractious nature of TT, with me at the top of the 'fractious list', comes from attempting to accomplish that which simply cannot be done.
 
As I asked you before - why not?  At my BSF Study we have 300+ women from different cultures and more than 120 different
denominations attend BSF Studies in general.  What we gather around is the text of God's written Word and every week we have God's blessing and God's peace.  There are a lot of things these ladies might disagree on in their daily lives but we can agree to share our common committment to submit ourselves to God's Word and He blesses our committment.
 
HE, JESUS, MAY be uniformly apprehended, whereas our understanding and apprehending of THE TEXT may not. (I challenge anyone on TT to produce texts which demonstrate otherwise. Proviso: TEXTS WHICH ARE THEMSELVES RIGHTLY INTERPRETED.)
 
I question your language above.  Where in scripture is anyone apprehending Jesus?.  Paul sees it the other way see Phil 3:12,13.
He apprehends us and noone comes to Him unless they are drawn by the Father by way of the Holy Spirit - who incidentally works in
tandem with the written word spoken by evangelists and preachers or studied privately.  Paul said that he pressed on to attain that for which Christ apprehended him - The goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.  Walking by the same rule and being
of the same mind is to be desired.  Vs.16.

David is not God Lance and neither are you or JD.
His written word containing His Promises is what we have been given along with understanding that comes
from Him by way of His Spirit.  So.... what Izzy says stands. He honors His Word.   jt
 
 
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:48:13 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
As to the first two (spoken & Incarnate), no. As to the written, yes. I thought David was reasonably clear on this matter. It is, in reality, a matter of some import.
 
 
 
Can you separate God and His spoken Word? And His incarnate Word? Or His written Word? His Words are part of Him. iz
 
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First,   the Bible contains the Word of God .   Secondly,  Jesus and the Bible are two very different things.   Let's  not make an idol of the Book.   It is what it is  --  but it is not something to be worshipped, Christ is. 
 
JD 

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I believe the written Word as scripture is just one form of THE WORD of God.
It cannot be brushed aside as less than that IMO. izzy
 
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Izzy wrote:
> Jesus IS the Word.  Neither is "secondary"
> to the other; they are one and the same.
 
Jesus is the Word but Jesus is not the TEXT.  Scripture is a subset of the
Word.  The script can be considered secondary to the Logos himself because
the world is not big enough to contain all the texts that could be written
about Him.  None of this is meant to undermine the authority of Scripture.
 
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
 
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