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Thanks Terry, you said it a whole lot better than I
could have. judyt
At what point do you all consider
your grandchild to be something other than a family member
-- during his times of discipline? When he is disobedient
but not caught, yet? When he starts smoking or when he
challenges going to church? Obedience/disobedience has to do
with how we live our lives and nothing to do with our
adoptive circumstance.
Jd ==================================================================
You
ask this question as if there were only one grandchild, John, trying to
show that God would never cast out His grandson, no matter how
disobedient. Let's change the picture just a little. Let us say
that there are fifty grandchildren that the grandfather loves.
Forty-nine are hard working industrious lovable grandchildren who love and
adore ol'Papa and one is known far and wide, not by his given name, but as
"That lyin', thieving, low down SOB that hates his Papa and everyone
else."
Now comes a family event of some sort. Let us say a
wedding feast. You can invite forty- nine grandchildren to the
feast and everyone there will have a good time for all the time they are
there. Or, you can invite fifty and let everyone have a miserable
time. What would ol'gramps do?
Worse yet. Say your
forty-nine grandkids are sweet innocent kids and that fiftieth is going to
lead them all to Hell, ( the old one bad apple spoils the whole barrel
thing.) Do you cling to the rotten apple, or throw it out?
I
vote for casting out. I think that God does too. Why, you
ask? Because He cast Adam out of the garden for one lousy sin and He
cast Satan out of Heaven for the same reason. Deliberate sin is
rebellion. It cost thousands their lives in Sodom. It cost
millions their lives in the flood, and if you turn from God to deliberate sin,
you are no better than those in Sodom and deserve the same
treatment.
The only arguments against this thinking is that once
saved, always saved thing that some talk about, presuming to have God's name
on an unbreakable contract that allows you to do what you want after
being baptized, and the pitiful argument that God is too loving to send people
to Hell. Neither of which work for me.
I realize that I have not
answered your question. I do not know at what point God may remove your
name from the book, but God does know, and He will.
Terry
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