DAVEH: I linked to an anti-Mormon site that gives most of the quotes
I think to which you are referring. Like JD, I tire quickly of reading
the garbage, hence only skim Kevin's posts to see if there is anything
worth absorbing.
No, the leaders of the LDS Church do not always speak for the
Church. They have opinions just like everybody else. Many LDS folks
believe those opinions can be or are inspired, but our leaders are
fallible. Furthermore, many of them earn their living authoring books,
which is a place where they can speculate with a larger degree of
freedom than if they were preaching in Church. So, yes......they
frequently and often peak outside of what you call "official mormon
doctrine". Even when teaching what they believe to be truth, it is
a level (or more) down from the official doctrines of the Church that
are included in the Standard Works. If it isn't in the Standard
Works....it is not considered as official doctrine.
Then there is the matter of context. It is very easy to find
examples of Scripture that are seemingly contradictive IF not taken in
context. I have found that a lot of the anti-Mormon material is simply
lifted out of context of the official doctrines of the Church, and then
spun (like the sex/virgin/Mary discussion we are having) to denigrate
the Church without regard to what we actually believe.
1Nephi 11:13-21 and Alma 7:10, not to mention the Biblical passages
which claim her virginity.....with which you are already familiar.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
I do not quite have the references Kevin has, but he has
presented a plethora of quotations from your learned prophets and
leaders stating such. Do they not speak for the church? Are their
comments not to be trusted? Do they frequently speak outside of what
you call "offical mormon doctrine"?
Yes, by the way, give me the chapter and verse from your heretical
extra-biblical documents.
Perry
*Dave, if you believe Dean has spoken untruthfully, please present some
documentation that refutes his statements*
DAVEH: Isn't that a repeat of what you wanted me to do before,
Perry....prove a negative? Impossible. Dean made the claim, and the
onus is upon him to prove his claim to be true. It is not up to me to
prove it false. However, as I mentioned in another post tonight,
official LDS doctrine teaches that Mary was a virgin at the birth of
Jesus. (I can provide chapter and verse if you wish....just request
it.) Is that adequate proof for you, Perry?
Now let's get back to the lie that Dean continued to perpetrate even
after I corrected him several days ago. Dean stated
below..............
*the HOLY Ghost is supposed (their claim not mine)to have
came down and had sex with Mary and Jesus was produced from this
sexual act. So their God is a God of Incest.*
...........which is a lie. Notice his comment......
*(their claim not mine)*
..........OK, if that is what we claim is official LDS doctrine, then
it should be easy for you or Dean (his* claim not mine*) to quote the
doctrine. If he or you cannot do that, then will you admit that the
above claim is a lie, Perry?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
*Dave, if you believe Dean has spoken
untruthfully, please present some documentation that refutes his
statements*. Just blathering on about how he is being untruthful
without any you showing anyevidence does not make your point at all.
From: Dave Hansen
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:29:20 -0700
DAVEH: Dean.........I don't know what has gotten into you, but it
does seem you are beginning to foam at the mouth! =-O
May I suggest you slow down and think about what you are saying
about my beliefs before you hit the send button. It is hard enough to
think you actually believe (about my beliefs) what you posted below,
let alone thinking that other TTers would be so lacking in cognizance
as to believe what you said below is true. I don't know what you are
smoking, Dean....but you do seem to be blowing it out your ears
tonight!
FWIW.......Brother Dean, calm down and relax a little. IMHO you
would be better advised to stick to the truth IF you want folks to take
you and your ministry seriously.
Dean Moore wrote:
cd: JD I don't think you realize how much opposed the Mormon
religion and the bible really are or you would change the
above statements. Example: In the Mormon belief Jesus Christ is
just another man whom believed upon God and is now God of this
world -but only this world. Just as DaveH believes He will be God
of another world-and one must believe upon him to received
salvation on that world.This is what Mormons do-they play
games.They are using a totally different language.The God
they believe in had sex in heaven-with one of the women that they
call from the grave whom stay eternally pregnant- which produced
Mary and *the HOLY Ghost is supposed (their claim not mine)to have
came down and had sex with Mary and Jesus was produced from this
sexual act. So their God is a God of Incest.* They do not believe
Jesus is the exclusive way to heaven-Joseph is a way of salvation-
so is coming to the temple once a year. How can you John claim
(declare) someo ne whom carries this belief as saved?
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