Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

[Taylor]

cd wrote  > DaveH On 10/14/05 5:33:33pm you stated..."and pray you would change your back stabbing ways". This in my view-at the time-was an attempt to imply I back stabbed you (a way of getting the idea on the table)-and I responded as such.   To me it seems like context is pretty important here, Dean. I understood Dave's statement in a different way than you did. This is his statement from 10/14: "From my LDS perspective, I truly believe you and I are both literally spirit children of our Heavenly Father.  Even if you were to stab me in the back, I would still respect that heavenly kinship be tween us and pray that you would change your (backstabbing) ways.  I know that is sometimes hard....but I think it is what Jesus would want me to do." Dave writes in what is called a "subjunctive mood" here. It is used to set up a hypothetical situation.   In your next reply, you wrote: "I will not go down this road with you again at this time-when I feel you are honest we can talk -till then -tally ho and keep boasting on you great qualities-stab you in the back while you do the forgiving-geez I almost shed a tear over that one-almost :-)"   To which Dave responded: "Boasting?  If you really think I am boasting.....I need to apologize to you and the other TTers.  I neither feel the need to boast, nor do I think it becoming of a Christian.  I am sorry that you believe I have done such.  The reason I included the hypothetical back stabbing comment was merely to convey to you my thought process as to your comments about my respect for your beliefs and warring against your God.  I was not suggesting you had stabbed me in the back, and if you took it as such....my apologies for poorly conveying my thoughts."   The next time the subject of "back stabbing" came up, it was in this following exchange. You wrote: "But I do have a different plan for you this year:-)" Dave then responds: "Welllllllllllll Dean.......You certainly have piqued my curiosity!!!   Can you let me in on what you have in store for me this year?    If you tell me up front, then I can't claim you back stabbed me!    :-) "   To which you respond: "Back stabbing-as you know- is being friends to ones face then attacking someone when they trust you enough to turn their back towards you. I have always been honest with you about my feelings for Mormonism/You up front-so when have I back stabbed you? If one makes a charge against another he should be able to prove that charge-so prove yours-this is a serous charge Dave H-it is called making false charges against another(ie. Bearing false wittiness- breaking a commandment)."   Back stabbing is mentioned a few more times, but it all seems to go back to these initial comments. To me it looks like this may be a misunderstanding.   Bill         ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > Date: 10/24/2005 8:43:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller > > > > Dave, you asked Dean what he had been smoking. That is tantamount to > calling > > him a drug user. You accused me of the same. > >  cd: DaveH On 10/14/05 5:33:33pm you stated..."and pray you would change > your back stabbing ways". This in my view-at the time-was an attempt to > imply I back stabbed you (a way of getting the idea on the table)-and I > responded as such. From memory-in a later tread-you stated I was a back > stabber-to which I responded-"when have I ever back stabbed you" and gave a > definition of back stabbing. But due to my E-mail providers ability to only > keep those messages I send (as standard) I would have to do a search on TT > . Which I am not inclined to do at this time-but if you insist-I will as > they are somewhere around the 14-16 of Oct (as soon as I figure out how). > > > > > > >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]  Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller > > >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:36:50 -0700 > > > > > >*_/As for turning the other cheek each time you insult me (drug > > >user,backstabber,...etc) I ignor it and still bring Jesus to you. > > >/_* > > > > > >DAVEH:   Are you hallucinating again, Dean?  I never insulted you by > > >calling you a drug user, or backstabber.  I certainly might have asked > you > > >what you were smoking, as some of the claims you make are so screwed up > > >that they sound as if they are from somebody who's mind has been > influenced > > >by drugs.  But...I'm pretty sure you aren't a doper, despite sounding > like > > >one at times.   And again FTR.....I never claimed you are a backstabber. > > > > > >Dean Moore wrote: > > > > > >>     ----- Original Message ----- > > >>     *From:* Dave Hansen <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>     *To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >><mailto:TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > >>     *Sent:* 10/19/2005 10:17:04 PM > > >>     *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David > > >>     Miller > > >> > > >>     DAVEH:   I think it might be remotely related to the Lord talking > > >>     about turning the other cheek.    Or....could that /judge not that > > >>     ye be not judged/ passage have some relevance.....? > > >>          *_cd: Why do lost people always fall back to "you are > judging" > > >>as > > >>     their defense".DaH, It more correctly means "not to judge harshly" > > >>     or you will be judged in the same manner.How can one decide right > > >>     from wrong if he does not judge the matter. Can't I call a child > > >>     molester a child molester. Can't I say "look at that lost man > > >>     molesting that child" and call out "Hey someone stop that child > > >>     molester"? Is he fair to yell back" You are judging me so you sin > > >>     not I". Who would be in the wrong DaH- the molester or I?/As for > > >>     turning the other cheek each time you insult me (drug > > >>     user,backstabber,...etc) I ignor it and still bring Jesus to you. > > >>     /_ > > >>     *Dean Moore wrote: > > >> > > >>>           In your heart you feel your way is the right way, and in TT > > >>>         there is room for the wrong way....which is a conflict in > > >>>         your paradigm.  At least that's the way I see it......do you > > >>>         see it in similar light? > > >>>                  *cd; I am against anything that exalts itself against > > >>>         God-your religion does that. When must Christians give room > > >>>         for the wrong way? Where in the Bible are we told to do > > >>>         this???????? > > >>>         * > > >>> > > > > > >-- > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >Dave Hansen > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >http://www.langlitz.com > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >If you wish to receive > > >things I find interesting, > > >I maintain six email lists... > > >JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, > > >STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. >