DAVEH: So then what is the problem that I injected something that you believe influenced Jeff to not become converted to your way of thinking? IF you actually hold the truth, why would you think I (presumably not having the truth from your perspective) foiled you? Put the shoe on the other foot....perhaps I had the truth, that influenced Jeff more than your untruth influenced him. Isn't that a more likely description of what happened?
cd: Pardon my interruption gentleman-DaveH the only problem we have with your claim to hold truth is that history,logic,science,archeology and just plain common sense all show your theology to lack credibility. There are problems with Mormon claims that date back to their first trips to the Americas (No evidence what so ever outside the BoM-not one piece of pottery or arrowhead including language influences. Genetic (as used in a court of law to imprison people for life) prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Indians come from Asia. There are no people living on the sun or moon. How can you possibly claim truth-which denies the only truth.
It would be detrimental to those who are following a system that is not based upon truth, because the truth would challenge any false system.
DaveH wrote:
IOW....didn't you intend TT for a place for all people to express their views in an effort to convert others if they want....even if it were to draw people away from Christianity?
No, not exactly. Proselytizing is not the issue. The list is meant to be somewhat more academic than that.
DAVEH: I'm not sure that message has reached all TTers. :-)
cd: Dave what Miller is conveying to you is the same as I have stated-just a change of wording. Instead of proselytizing he is offering the "one truth". What is the difference? My reasoning for this is that every Christian led by the Holy Spirit will offer Christ to the world-no exceptions period. To be filled with the Holy Spirit is to have living waters flow from your mouth which is the overpowering desire to offer others salvation-that is why Kevin or Miller cannot stop preaching.
I believe that truth holds its own, and I believe that all truth points to Jesus Christ. Therefore, those who apprehend Truth are apprehending Christ.
Many religious organizations work on censorship. They try and tell people what is true and what is false. They limit the information available.
DAVEH: Not that much different than some TTers, eh!
cd: Can't it be said that you withhold information about
Mormonism including Pay-lay ale ?
TruthTalk is meant to be a more open forum where divergent people, whether Christians or Atheists, whether Roman Catholic or Mormon, whether Protestant or a member of the First Church of Satan, can explain their viewpoints and answer challenges to their viewpoints. The idea is not to proselytize or convert others, but to discuss truth outside the walls of religious organizations that would normally censor such speech, or at least make contrary viewpoints difficult to express.
DAVEH: It seems to me that some TTers would prefer to limit the divergent views.
cd: I will continue my insistence that to give the unholy unlimited access to the brethren is to go beyond the directives given to us by the Holy Bible-as in walking on dangerous ground-no disrespect to Miller intended.Is it possible that God is allowing this and sends someone to balance the "scales"-I don't know but such a one would have to push with much persistent beliefs to sway this hard headed group the right way. Only heaven knows.
The idea is that when truth prevails, Christ prevails. Therefore, there is no need for proselytizing or converting others.
DAVEH: I've sure had the impression that some TTers would like to convert me, and seem to be most frustrated that they can't.
cd: I wouldn't think of it like a match between Mormons and Christians-more like frustrated because of concern for your soul-they know your future if you continue to reject so much wittiness-Have you even considered the possibility that we are right about truth and hell?There is wisdom in Godly fear.
There is only the need to separate truth from falsehood.
In the case of Jeff, I think there was a moment where truth concerning the Godhead was being affirmed by both he and myself, but the ultimate direction in which that truth should lead him became clouded when you jumped into the exchange. I don't even remember right now exactly what was said, but it was an event that I have seen many times before. It is a way in which the enemy steals seed that has been sown.
DAVEH: Or....perhaps truth really won the battle.....depends on your perspective.
cd: If so then your truth would stand the test- it does not.
I still wonder what Jeff's affirmation of the Trinity meant to him
DAVEH: My interjection did not prevent you from continuing to discuss it with Jeff.
