Terry wrote:
Both you and JD seem to think that these two
should stay in their adulterous relationship.
I want to say the same thing, for the benefit
of the children if for no other reason. Fact is
though, that I cannot reconcile that line of
reasoning with God's word.
It might also be that such is not best for the children. We would have to
consider more facts in the situation.
Nevertheless, there are many situations that could be justified by reasoning
from God's word for them to stay together. Maybe JD will address these
later.
Terry wrote:
John, the baptizer lost his head for condemning the
same situation between Herod and Herodious.
If it is wrong for Mr. and Mrs. Herod, it is wrong
for Mr. and Mrs. Verage. When John said, "You
cannot have her", the message is that God will not
approve of people living in adultery. I can find no
exception in the new testament. Could either of
you do more to justify your position? I would also
like to hear the thinking of Bill and David M. on this.
There are a lot more facts to the situation of Herod and Herodias. For one
thing, Herod was the uncle of Herodias, so there are problems with incest
laws. Also, Herodias was the wife of Herod's brother. The Torah very
specifically condemns taking the wife of one's brother while the brother was
still alive.
Leviticus 18:16
(16) Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy
brother's nakedness.
With the covenant at the time still being the covenant of Torah, John the
Baptist had very clear grounds for making his case against Herod, and
apparently more specifically against Herodias (because the gospels seem to
make it appear that she was most offended by John).
There are other facts to this case as well. Josephus informs us that Herod
took up with Herodias on a trip to Rome to visit his brother, then he
brought Herodias back with him. It was then, after this adultery, that he
sent his first wife back to her father, the king in Arabia (Petra, in modern
day Jordan). This caused a war to break out between the Jews and the Arabs,
and the Jews lost, suffering much destruction. It seems to me that John was
addressing the sufferings of the people caused by Herodias, which would
explain her taking offense at John. He was basically saying that it was all
her fault.
I hope you can see that this situation between Herod and Herodias is not
exactly the same situation as the sketch you gave us. In fact, it was a lot
different.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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