> [Original Message]
> From: Peter Krostag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 11/11/2005 8:10:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law
>
> cd:I agree that upon belief in Christ and confession to repentance
> makes one just-but that does not give us the right to break even one of
the
> commandments (ie the Law). We are established upon Christs righteousness
> and then justified by our deeds or as the Bible says "every man will be
> judged by their works"
>
> Pete responds:
>
> I am not sure you understand the significance of what Christ did and the
> purpose of the Law. If I assume wrong, forgive me. Our faith in Christ
> fulfills the atonement necessary to walk with God and we then are able to
> fellowship with God in the Spirit. The Law was (past tense) our
> schoolmaster bringing us to Christ. After Christ came, we are no longer
> under a schoolmaster. We are no longer under the Law. We walk with God's
> Spirit in us which becomes our guide as the Law was a guide for the people
> under the old covenant. The Law showed us our transgressions and was
> leading us to Christ. I don't claim to understand all of what God has
done
> for us, but I know that my walk in Christ has shown me that doing good
works
> does nothing towards salvation. Being obedient to His Spirit brings
growth
> and peace. I agree that we will be judged according to our works.
cd: The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ- yes-to show our
transgressions- yes- but the law is still there. We know we needed a savior
because of sin leading to hell and because of Christ we are taken above the
Law but if we break that same law then we fall back under that punishment
or not- as God decides- and depending on ones continuing with that sin of
not. Yes we have an advocate who is our intercessor but I cannot claim the
intercessor will always continue with complete intercession-there is a
severe penalty for that continuance even to be cut off. Paul said in 1 Cor
9:27 that he brought his body into subjection (ie Fasting and prayer) lest-
even though he had preached to others -he be a castaway?
Hebrews 3:12 Take care brethren,that there not be in any one of you an
evil, unbelieving heart that fall away from the living God.
I fail to see this in your teaching Peter. True our good works doesn't lead
one to salvation as God turns on that "light" then we are to choose. But we
are judged by our works after salvation.
Rev 20:12 ...and the dead were judged from the things which were written in
the books according to their works.also Ps 62:12, Jer. 17:10, Rom 2:6, 1
Peter 1:17...etc.
>
> cd: Are you saying that one cannot then become unrighteous? Does faith
> alone keep us?
>
> Pete responds:
>
> We can do unrighteous acts if we choose to because we live in the flesh.
> The consequence of walking according to the deeds of the flesh is sin.
> Walking in the flesh will stifle a Christian's growth because God's Spirit
> cannot move in a believer's life if a person willingly sins. The
atonement
> by the blood of Jesus keeps us alive to Christ. Rejection of the
atonement
> will separate you permanently from God. The bottom line is that a person
> who walks in the spirit will not choose to walk in the flesh (according to
> Galatians)
cd:Yes if that person is walking in the Spirit-but what if he is not? The
chose is always there day in and day out-We choose each day as we have not
lost our free will. I also don't believe we have a sinful flesh due to the
fact I was given a new heart. I don't see any part of a Christian as
evil.This is why we are tested and tried and refined as gold and silver is
refined for purity.I can claim to be righteous because of Christ and I can
claim to walk in righteous because I don't break God's commandments.Walking
in sin-which you called the flesh-will do more then stop your growth
brother. Also please explain " The atonement by the blood of Jesus keeps us
alive in Christ"?
>
>
> cd: Aren't the 11 commandments tied to love of God and love of neighbor?
No
> where are we told to keep 612 commandments but we are told to keep the
> moral law.1 Jn 2:4 The one who says, " I have come to know Him," and does
> not keep the commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. If I
> have faith in Christ then I will accept his words and seek to live by
those
> words.
>
> Pete responds:
>
> AMEN.
>
>
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