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If you would like a short lesson on how verbs work
in the Greek, just ask. I'm sure DavidM would be glad to accommodate you. I
would too, but it would probably mean more coming from him.
Bill
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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor
hagiazomenous verb participle present passive accusative masculine
plural [Friberg]
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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:52
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
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What is the greek word in the text, that is to BE
translated into "BEING" in hebrews 10:14? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They are not "being perfected." They are being
sanctified. I believe that "sactification" is the work of God within the believer
-- its finale is expressed [in
part] in a visible difference (holiness) between "us" and
"them." In this example, we are passively involved to the glory
of God. Perfection, in this
scripture, is a done deal -- Him dying ONCE AND FOR ALL
TIME for us.
JD -----Original
Message----- From: Kevin Deegan
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[email protected]Sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:17:39 -0800
(PST) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/ revisor
KJV For by one offering he
hath perfected for ever them that are
sanctified.
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971,
1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The
Lockman
Foundation For by one offering He has perfected for all
time those who are sanctified. Youngs Literal translation for by one offering he hath
perfected to the end those sanctified
ASV For by one offering he hath perfected for ever
them that are sanctified.
NKJV For by one offering He has perfected forever those
who are being sanctified.
NIV because by one sacrifice he has made perfect
forever those who are being made holy.
If Christ's offering gives eternal perfection, as the first half
of the verse claims, why does the rest of the verse say that we are BEING
'perfected'?
Dean Moore <cd_moore@earthlink.net> wrote:
cd: see the Bottom of page.
----- Original Message -----
To: [email protected]
Sent: 11/21/2005 10:08:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
corrector/revisor
Since the theme has been that of
perfection, I thought I would keep it going with a look at Hebrews 10.14. The KJV says, "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever
them that are sanctified." A cursory reading of this verse may leave one
with the impression that the "perfected" are those whose
sanctification is complete: they are, after all,
"sanctified," aren't they? Well, not if one's concern is with
holding true to the "pure" word of God as set forth in
the "Received Text." In the Greek this participle is a present
tense in the passive voice. If one were desiring to reflect that
voice in his translation and thereby hold true to the grammar and intent
of the "majority text," this participle would best
be translated as "those who are being sanctified," thereby
reflecting a sanctification which is
passive (i.e.., the action is being pe rformed by someone other than the subject) and not
yet complete. Hence according to this,
Christ has perfected forever (a completed action), not those who are
presently sanctified (also a completed action), but those who are
in the process of being sanctified: a fairly
significant difference, it seems to me. Bill
So this is an example of how
the KJV is in error
Bill?
IMO the error is with your understanding rather than with
the text of the KJV
translation. You have read something into the text that is not
there and have made a straw man to knock down. The word
sanctification does not necessarily mean an action being performed; the same word is used in 1 Cor 7:14 for an unbelieving wife who is
sanctified (set apart, consecrated) by the faith of her husband.
In this sense "sanctified" means something entirely different from what
you describe. So IOW "By one
offering Jesus has perfected for ever them that are set apart,
consecrated (or sanctified)."
I have a huge banner that says the same thing you banner
say on 1 John 2:4-I will send you a picture of it sis
:-)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John
2:4)
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