Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:09:34 -0800

Wake up folks...when Dave said, "Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them, Dean", the implication was that Izzy and I were intimate. How else would I know about her sexual experiences. Get off your self-righteous horse, Dave, and own your bad behavior. 

Perry





From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]  Dave's  Disrespect.
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:00:29 -0800
DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me intruding on your discussion with John, Dean. Since you are referring to me and since the subject line is obviously meant to highlight what I may or may not have said, I feel it is within my right to respond to your accusations. 

*DUH-Tell us of your sexual experiences Izzy-Duh*
DAVEH: Is this supposed to be a quote of me, Dean??? If so, you have misquoted both my words and the nature of my comment. Since I never said the above, I can only assume you are making this up in an effort to discredit what I really did say. Furthermore, since this is *not* what I said, I believe you owe me a retraction and an apology, Dean.
It does appear that when a legitimate case against me based on my own words cannot be made, some people feel compelled to contrive both my words and my intentions in order to condemn me. Otherwise, why would you (Dean) feel the need to fabricate what you think I said? 

   Could it be that you are desperately looking for an excuse to........

kick his arrogant butt off this site-
......and will go to extreme lengths to attempt to prove your point? If so, then lying about what I said is somewhat incongruous to the assumed nature of TruthTalk. Perry seems amazed that I said that my intent of coming to TT was /*not*/ to learn truth. Surely he can see the lies that are promulgated here in the name of truth.....and for what purpose? To toss a Mormon off TT? Is that why you would lie about what I said, Dean? If so, I'm rather disappointed in your hopes.
Listen Dean.....If you think I said anything that deserves being kicked off TT, or even rebuked for what I post on TT.....just post my comments for all to see and judge. But PLEASE do *not* lie about what I say or post.
FWIW.....I feel I've treated Izzy and everybody else on TT, including you Dean, with at least the same respect that I've received from them. If you really think I should be booted from TT for saying nothing more disrespectful to Izzy than she said to me, then do you feel that *YOU* should be booted from TT for misquoting what I said?
Logically, that would seem appropriate. But I implore our moderator not to do so. Nor do I want you to leave TT because I am here....and oil and water don't mix, so to speak. Though we certainly disagree on many/most things (as I do with virtually all TTers), you do add a high level element of entertainment to TT, Dean. :-) Furthermore, you provide me with a very intriguing insight to what makes a true street preacher tick. That's something I can't easily get elsewhere. To me, you are fascinating and give me a glimpse into the psyche of somebody who has such diametrically opposed beliefs as mine, and is willing to go to extremes to convince others of his righteousness. Hmmmmm........that may be the wrong word, but at the moment can't think of one more appropriate.
Do you understand why I am saying this, Dean? You effectively accuse others of lying........ 

*Did she advice & nbsp;me to butt out- or are you lying again? *
.......yet you do the same thing when misquoting me. To me that is simply fascinating! Rather than TT being a place (as Perry seems to perceive it) where truth is found, it seems to have evolved into a hotbed of hypocritical Christianity where untruths abound and a double standard is used to promote one's agenda.
Now for the TTers who are following this, you may be wondering what ax I'm grinding at this point. Perry has been critical of my comments about being on TT to learn about Protestants' beliefs rather than the truth.........
/*It is not that Dave is a mormon. That is an unfortunate coincidence. It is that he has behaved arrogantly.* It is that has insulted most all on this forum by arrogantly stating that "he is not here to learn the truth, he is here to learn what protestants believe".* It is that *he has said he is here to learn, but after being told over and over, he fails to learn.**/
.........As I've followed many of the posts of TT over the years, it is readily apparent that few TTers really do agree with each other. If they all did, it would probably make for some rather uninteresting posts! Those who do post often are sharing a contrasting belief. In effect, that means that at most one of the posters is correct, and they may both be wrong for that matter. And the threads often times tend to go on, and on, and on.....tediously seemingly forever. If such threads really teach truth....then why is there no end upon which the participants can agree to anything other than disagreement???
So....why do people stay on TT? Is it to learn truth, or is it to disagree with somebody else's version of the truth? IMO, the second reason is the more likely. How many TTers have changed their beliefs because of what they read/learned on TT? I would imagine it is precious few. We tend to come to TT with the beliefs that have previously become ingrained into our thinking, and simply being on TT is little reason to change our thinking. In fact, it would be hazardous to change our thinking just because of what we hear on TT, as the general populace here is somewhat way out of sync with the real (theological) world, it seems. If you don't believe me, then ask yourself how many non-TT Christians would tolerate (perhaps /appreciate/ would be a better way of saying it) the recent discussion some TTers have had under the corrector/revisor banner.....
/*I have not left off the present passive aspect. In English, we don't conjugate the participle this way, but the phrase is clear enough for those of us who understand English. It carries over the present tense and passive voice just fine.*/
.........Yikes! I thought I understood English....but now I'm not so sure! Now, I didn't quote that to demean anything DavidM or anybody else has said under this thread. I merely am trying to make a case that the /truth/ talked about on TruthTalk is so esoteric and un-understandable to the average dummy like me, that it is ridiculous to think/expect/believe one comes to TT to learn truth. However, I'm not criticizing those who come here thinking that is their reason, or who think their cup will overfloweth with so much truthy stuff that they will be overwhelmingly edified. If some TTers really do find a nugget of truth now and then....good for them. I just don't think the truth of TruthTalk is as easily discerned as some might think.
Which is why I find it interesting that some TTers criticize me for saying that I am here to learn about what Protestants believe, and why they believe such. I've just got to tell you that my experience here over the years has fulfilled my goal so much more than I think /truth/ is learned by those TTers who come for that reason alone.
Do any street preachers on TT come for learning truth they don't already know? Not that I can see. If anything, TT seems to be a hunting ground for them. Maybe they are just sharpening their teeth on easy prey while they await the next opportunity to wave underwear in an effort to offend others. As I see it, any truth they may truly want to impart is obfuscated by their obnoxious behavior. So I ponder what motivates them. To me that is fascinating as well, and justifies my reasons for being here.
It is certainly eye-opening to me to see the tactics some street preachers use. And I am amazed by it all. I sometimes wonder if I would see anything similar had I lived 2000 years ago. Question: Would Jesus have embraced street preachers, or been embarrassed by them? These are things I ponder as I see how some SPs behave.
This brings me back to my previous comment regarding /hypocritical Christians/. Do they exist on TT? Seems so to me.... :-( Does anybody care to disagree? 



Dean Moore wrote:


    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:*
*To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[email protected]> 
    *Sent:* 11/26/2005 9:35:52 AM
    *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

    First , your last sentence sounds like any number of people I
    know.   Secondly  -   I am a husband who would defend his wife
    even to the point of violence.   I missed the part where DH spoke
    to Linda as if she were a whore.   Where was that
    statement? *DUH-Tell us of your sexual experiences Izzy-Duh*  And
    why are you taking offense at something for which Linda is
    not? Simple you don't talk to women like that around me-and then
    there are the sinful overtone. Finally, you have offered advice to
    a women  (Linda) who has asked us all to move on.  Did you miss
    that point?   Sooooo,  why don't you take her advice and butt
    out.*Did she advice & nbsp;me to butt out- or are you lying
    again? * Why don't you make me butt out mouth.
         Jd            -----Original Message-----
    From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    To: [email protected]
    Sent: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:05:36 -0500
    Subject: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.


cd:My advice is for Izzy to show this to here husband-and let him resolve
this matter. Then the snake in the grass will learn respect for a decent
women and not to try and speak to her as one would a whore. He is not sorry 
for anything-as he has no morality.Don't even know right from wrong and
apparently neither does a few others on this list-no discernment even to
seeing no problem with asking a women such questions-even another mans
wife-evil wicked hearted people claiming to be children of God that cannot
even receive the milk of the word-and yet defend their ignorance with more
ignorance.


[Original Message]
From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:cpl2602%40hotmail.com>> 
To: <[email protected] <mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>>
Date: 11/25/2005 11:06:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
John, Izzy opened the door, and has realized that and apologized for it (maybe you missed that post). It was DH that walked through that door and took it to the gutter. 

Perry

>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:knpraise%40aol.com>
>Reply-To: [email protected] <mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org> 
>To: [email protected] <mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
>Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:50:46 -0500
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>Hey tough guy,   it was Linda Shields who open the door to this thread

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>not DH.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:cd_moore%40earthlink.net>> 
>To: [email protected] <mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:01:31 -0500
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Lance Muir
>To: [email protected] <mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Sent: 11/25/2005 8:31:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
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>Ahhhhhhhhh and, we wonder over violence in society! Thanks for the >illustration, Dean. >cd; There are some things that one is just to fight over-My family was >places under my care and protection-by God. It is my duty to do so even >against those who have no decent icy or morals to speak to another man 
wife

>as a whore.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dean Moore
>To: [email protected] <mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Sent: November 25, 2005 08:21
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
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>cd: You are speaking to the wife of another man-try that with mine and I >will be on your door step in a couple of days-go ahead and ask her she 
will

>be reading your next response!
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dave
>To: [email protected] <mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Sent: 11/24/2005 11:30:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
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>RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences
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>DAVEH:   Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them, Dean!?!?!?!



>     ;-)
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>Dean Moore wrote:
>cd: Where is our monitor? Charles?
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>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences
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>Hardly. J
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:TruthTalk-owner%40mail.innglory.org> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:TruthTalk-owner%40mail.innglory.org>] On Behalf Of Dave 
>Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:16 PM
>To: [email protected] <mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences
>You know I'll tell!
>
>DAVEH: Wow Izzy......I am rather surprised to hear you say that! But 
it

>is nice to know you are not so hypocritical that you would not be

willing
>to post on TT such personal things as you expect me to share. Now that 
I

>think about it Izzy, I'm sure it would be much more interesting for

TTers

>to hear about your sexual experiences than mine.  Do tell!



>:-[
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>ShieldsFamily wrote:
>You know I'll tell! :-)
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>DAVEH: Do you really think it is appropriate to discuss such personal >things on a public forum that is known for its lack of taste at times? 
If
>you really want to know the answer to personal questions such as that, >contact me off-Forum and I'll answer your question. 
>
>ShieldsFamily wrote:
>So DO you???
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>I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave them on then, too.
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>DAVEH:   That is not my understanding, nor would I think anybody else

(LDS)

>understands it that way.  However....it is not a topic I've discussed

with
>others, nor have I ever heard it discussed in any LDS meetings I've >attended or in other official discussions. 
>
>     There are numerous instances where it is not appropriate to wear

them,

>viz., playing basketball, swimming, etc.
>
>ShieldsFamily wrote:
>How about during sex, DaveH? I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave

them

>on then, too.  True or false? izzy
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:TruthTalk-owner%40mail.innglory.org> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:TruthTalk-owner%40mail.innglory.org>] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:31 AM
>To: [email protected] <mailto:TruthTalk%40mail.innglory.org>
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere!
>The Mormons have to leave them on even while taking a bath-They slide

them

>to one side and wash one half of their bodies at a time.
>
>DAVEH: Hmmmmmmm.........I continue to learn by my presence on TT. >That's one I haven't tried yet, Dean! :-D 
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>     Note to Perry:   Like I said, I'm here to learn what Protestants

(and

>Dean, if he isn't a P) believe.  If nothing else, learning that you

folks

>believe such things as this is a constant form of entertainment!

:-)

>
>Dean Moore wrote:
>Just asking  -------   who said anything about being drunk?   I mean,

you

>guys wave men's underwear around , so why not chew.  Whatever.
>cd: You had mentioned me "sobering up" before- I don't chew tobacco-And

the
>Mormons claim that their underwear is Holy-a sign of their royal >Melchizedek Priesthood which is worn under their clothing as we are not >worthy to view these holy objects-They are easy to obtain for the local >pawn shops as many are getting rid of them. We hold them up and declare >that true holiness is to live by the gospel of Christ which is an inner >cleanliness not an outer cleanliness. The Mormons have to leave them on >even while taking a bath-They slide them to one side and wash one half 
of

>their bodies at a time.
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