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THE VICARIOUS HUMANITY OF CHRIST WOULD MOST
ASSUREDLY INCLUDE THE GARDEN, kevin!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: December 14, 2005 07:46
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden
Atonement
Blaine what is all this Talk about
PAYING for SINS in the GARDEN?
And what is this great drops of
Blood sweat thing have to do with Atonement?
"The Savior ATONED for our sins by
suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross. It is
impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our sins.
In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused him to
feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled from every
pore (see D&C 19:18-19). " Gospel Principles, Corporation
of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg.
66
"Jesus then went into the Garden of Gethsemane. There he suffered
most. He suffered greatly on the cross, of course, but other men had
died by crucifixion; in fact, a man hung on either side of him as he died on
the cross. But no man, nor set of men, nor all men put together, ever suffered
what the Redeemer suffered in the garden. He went there to pray and suffer'"
(Conference Report, Marion Romney, First Presidency, October 1953,
Pg.35).
"suffered as only as God would suffer, bearing our griefs,
carrying our sorrows, being wounded for our transgressions, voluntarily
submitting Himself to the iniquity of us all, just as Isaiah
prophesied."
"It was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on Himself
the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to
the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He descended below all
things so that all could repent and come to Him" (Teachings of Ezra Taft
Benson, pg.15).
"Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he
bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had
or ever would repent" ("The Promised Messiah," Bruce R. McConkie pg.
337)
"In a garden called Gethsemane, outside Jerusalem's
walls, in agony beyond compare, he took upon himself the sins of all
men on condition of repentance." ("The Promised Messiah,"
Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie pg. 552)
"And as he came out of the Garden, delivering himself voluntarily into
the hands of wicked men, the victory had been won. There remained yet the
shame and the pain of his attest, his trials, and his cross.
But all these were overshadowed by the agonies and sufferings in
Gethsemane. It was on the cross that he
'suffered death in the flesh,' even as many have suffered agonizing deaths,
but it was in Gethsemane that "he suffered the pain of all
men, that all men might repent and come unto him." "The Mortal
Messiah," McConkie pg. 127-128
Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of
Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement, Friend,
Mar. 1989, 39
BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible! A
Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of Olives,
that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the shedding of his
blood-more so than on the cross.
Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and
under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice of the Son
of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden of Gethsemane? It
is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look when centering their
attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And certainly the sacrifice
of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by men; also, that part of his
life and suffering is more dramatic and, perhaps, more soul stirring. But
in reality the pain and suffering, the triumph and grandeur, of the atonement
took place primarily in Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament
Commentary 1:774)
The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on the
cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M. Nelson, His
Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec. 1999)
the preaching of the
CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are
saved it is the power of God 1 Co 1:18
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just like
stars better. :>) Blainerb
Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of
Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement, Friend,
Mar. 1989, 39
"The Savior atoned for our sins by
suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross. It
is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our
sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused
him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled from every pore (see
D&C 19:18-19). " Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg.
66
BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A Bible!
A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount of
Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the
shedding of his blood-more so than on the cross.
Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and
under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice of the
Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden of
Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look when
centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And
certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by
men; also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and,
perhaps, more soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the
triumph and grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in
Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary 1:774)
The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on the
cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M. Nelson,
His Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec. 1999)
we are Reconciled thru the cross
Col 1:20 having made
peace through the blood of his cross, by
him to reconcile all things unto himself
Eph 2:16 that he might
reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross
Our debt nailed to the cross
Col 2:14 Blotting out the
handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and
took it out of the way, nailing it to his
cross
He bore our sins on the cross
1 Pt 2 Who his own self
bare our sins in his own body on the
tree
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just
like stars better. :>)
Blainerb
In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:12:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The cats out of the bag:
Christians Glory in the cross you dispise it since you are of those
that the Bible says are ENEMIES of the Cross whose END is
DESTRUCTION!
Galatians 6:14 But God
forbid that I should glory, save in the cross
of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto
me, and I unto the world.
Ph 3 Brethren, be followers together of
me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an
ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now
tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of
Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose
God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who
mind earthly things.)
You are an example of those that mind earthly things such
as your LUSTFUL MIND.
What specifically is so WIERD here? Except for ENEMIES that
is.
On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
The emblem of
suffering and shame;
And I love that old cross where the dearest and
best
For a world of lost sinners was slain.
Refrain
So Iâll cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my
trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged
cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.
O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,
Has a
wondrous attraction for me;
For the dear Lamb of God left His glory
above
To bear it to dark Calvary.
Refrain
In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,
A
wondrous beauty I see,
For âtwas on that old cross Jesus suffered
and died,
To pardon and sanctify me.
Refrain
To the old rugged cross I will ever be true;
Its shame and
reproach gladly bear;
Then Heâll call me some day to my home far
away,
Where His glory forever Iâll share.
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