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Please pick yourself up from the floor then, let me
know that what I wrote is not understood by you, should this be the
case.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: December 14, 2005 08:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden
Atonement
The WHAT?
THE VICARIOUS HUMANITY OF CHRIST WOULD MOST
ASSUREDLY INCLUDE THE GARDEN, kevin!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: December 14, 2005 07:46
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Garden
Atonement
Blaine what is all this Talk
about PAYING for SINS in the GARDEN?
And what is this great drops
of Blood sweat thing have to do with Atonement?
"The Savior ATONED for our sins
by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life on the cross.
It is impossible for us to fully understand how he suffered for all of our
sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused
him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be bled
from every pore (see D&C 19:18-19). " Gospel
Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 66
"Jesus then went into the Garden of Gethsemane. There he
suffered most. He suffered greatly on the cross, of course, but
other men had died by crucifixion; in fact, a man hung on either side of
him as he died on the cross. But no man, nor set of men, nor all men put
together, ever suffered what the Redeemer suffered in the garden. He went
there to pray and suffer'" (Conference Report, Marion Romney, First
Presidency, October 1953, Pg.35).
"suffered as only as God would suffer, bearing our griefs,
carrying our sorrows, being wounded for our transgressions, voluntarily
submitting Himself to the iniquity of us all, just as Isaiah
prophesied."
"It was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on
Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was
equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He
descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him"
(Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.15).
"Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as
he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who
ever had or ever would repent" ("The Promised Messiah," Bruce R. McConkie
pg. 337)
"In a garden called Gethsemane, outside Jerusalem's
walls, in agony beyond compare, he took upon himself the sins of
all men on condition of repentance." ("The Promised
Messiah," Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie pg. 552)
"And as he came out of the Garden, delivering himself voluntarily
into the hands of wicked men, the victory had been won. There remained yet
the shame and the pain of his attest, his trials, and his
cross. But all these were overshadowed by the agonies and
sufferings in Gethsemane. It was on
the cross that he 'suffered death in the flesh,' even as many have
suffered agonizing deaths, but it was in Gethsemane that "he suffered the
pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto
him." "The Mortal Messiah," McConkie pg. 127-128
Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of
Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement,
Friend, Mar. 1989, 39
BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A
Bible! A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the Mount
of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement by the
shedding of his blood-more so than on the cross.
Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where and
under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice of the
Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden of
Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look when
centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement. And
certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted up by
men; also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic and,
perhaps, more soul stirring. But in reality the pain and suffering, the
triumph and grandeur, of the atonement took place primarily in
Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary
1:774)
The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on
the cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M.
Nelson, His Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec. 1999)
the preaching of the
CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which
are saved it is the power of God 1 Co 1:18
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just
like stars better. :>) Blainerb
Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden
of Gethsemane. Laurel Rohlfing, Sharing Time: The Atonement,
Friend, Mar. 1989, 39
"The Savior atoned for our
sins by suffering in Gethsemane and by giving his life
on the cross. It is impossible for us to fully understand how he
suffered for all of our sins. In the Garden of Gethsemane, the
weight of our sins caused him to feel such agony and heartbreak that be
bled from every pore (see D&C 19:18-19). " Gospel
Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 66
BYU professor Robert J. Matthews, who on page 282 of his book, A
Bible! A Bible!, wrote, It was in Gethsemane, on the slopes of the
Mount of Olives, that Jesus made his perfect atonement
by the shedding of his blood-more so than on the
cross.
Apostle Bruce McConkie, stated, Where
and under what circumstances was the atoning sacrifice
of the Son of God made? Was it on the Cross of Calvary or in the Garden
of Gethsemane? It is to the Cross of Christ that most Christians look
when centering their attention upon the infinite and eternal atonement.
And certainly the sacrifice of our Lord was completed when he was lifted
up by men; also, that part of his life and suffering is more dramatic
and, perhaps, more soul stirring. But in reality the pain and
suffering, the triumph and grandeur, of the atonement took place
primarily in Gethsemane, (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary
1:774)
The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on
the cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Russell M.
Nelson, His Mission and Ministry, New Era, Dec. 1999)
we are Reconciled thru the
cross
Col 1:20 having made
peace through the blood of his cross,
by him to reconcile all things unto
himself
Eph 2:16 that he might
reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross
Our debt nailed to the cross
Col 2:14 Blotting out the
handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us,
and took it out of the way, nailing it to his
cross
He bore our sins on the cross
1 Pt 2 Who his own
self bare our sins in his own body on the
tree
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just
like stars better. :>)
Blainerb
In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:12:12 A.M. Mountain Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The cats out of the bag:
Christians Glory in the cross you dispise it since you are of
those that the Bible says are ENEMIES of the Cross whose END is
DESTRUCTION!
Galatians 6:14 But
God forbid that I should glory, save in the
cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world
is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Ph 3 Brethren, be followers
together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for
an ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and
now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of
Christ: Whose end is destruction,
whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their
shame, who mind earthly things.)
You are an example of those that mind earthly things
such as your LUSTFUL MIND.
What specifically is so WIERD here? Except for ENEMIES
that is.
On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
The emblem of
suffering and shame;
And I love that old cross where the dearest
and best
For a world of lost sinners was slain.
Refrain
So Iâll cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my
trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged
cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.
O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,
Has a
wondrous attraction for me;
For the dear Lamb of God left His
glory above
To bear it to dark Calvary.
Refrain
In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,
A
wondrous beauty I see,
For âtwas on that old cross Jesus
suffered and died,
To pardon and sanctify me.
Refrain
To the old rugged cross I will ever be true;
Its shame and
reproach gladly bear;
Then Heâll call me some day to my home
far away,
Where His glory forever Iâll share.
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