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Sent: 12/14/2005 10:01:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross
But the fact remains that mormons don't like the cross
DAVEH: I don't think you quite understand the LDS perspective, Dean. It is not a matter of us not liking the cross, but rather it is more an understanding of what the cross did t
o our beloved Savior. It is similar in a sense to the great pain our sins brought the Lord when he atoned for them. Only, that pain is due to our sins, which makes us sad that he would need to suffer that much in our behalf. The pain caused by the Lord as he was tortured on the cross however, was caused by his enemies.
cd: Case and point without the cross there could be no savior-hence no salvation and as keeping the law was a failure all were headed to hell-no way to pay for redemption. Yes, our sins added to his suffering-so let us not sin any more as to crucify Christ anew. But you must remember that God gave us the gift of Christ-suffering and all that goes with him is the gift of God-Would you tell God I am sad that you gave me such a great gift? Or should one have Joy that God the Father came down to earth and walked as a man to teach us truth and to die on the cross for our salvation-Who now stand in heaven with Great honor-Sad? I say rejoice and praise his name-even the angels agreed as they said "We bring you tidings of Great joy"....They didn't say "We bring you sad news as this poor man must die for you so to must be sad". Mormons have it backwards.
To them Christ's death is a sad thing-"poor man" they say. Yet to us Christians it brings great joy of salvation
DAVEH: Yes, that is correct. It bothers me a lot to think of our Beloved Brother being tortured. Is not the death of Jesus a sad thing to you, Dean?
cd: No absolutely not I am overjoyed that Jesus Christ cared enough for me to die in such a manner-He did this for me and I love him for the doing.And when the fires of hell are tanning out you bachside you will wish he had did as much for you-better repent sinner and have the Joy of our savior-not the saddiness of your Smithian version of Christ..
Dean Moore wrote:
and this statement borders on insulting:
One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to this day is overly fond of that old rugged cross. :>)
Blainerb
cd: But the fact remains that mormons don't like the cross-To them Christ's death is a sad thing-"poor man" they say. Yet to us Christians it brings great joy of salvation-A symbol of the new birth and the joy of knowing God loves us enough to give his only begotten son (ie. Not many son as mormons belive) so that we can defeat Satan as Christ did.
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