Re: [TruthTalk] thinking out loud

[Judy Taylor]

You are saying that the scriptures I cite below reflect my apprehension of what God says rather than His and that if I claim to know the mind of God on this matter then I am claiming something that is above and beyond others on TT who you call my "fellow believers"   Of course I disagree with you Lance because being born of the Spirit is not my idea; it is God's provision in the second Adam since before the foundation of the world.  As for being above or beyond fellow believers?  Not so. There is no division in Christ.   On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:44:38 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Just one time, please. Will you say back to me what YOU BELIEVE MY MEANING TO BE in what I've just said. Thereafter, tell me that you agree/disagree and, why? From: Lance Muir   This (the citations below) are Judy's choices oF Scriptures which elucidate Judy's apprehension of what God has to say about these matters. UNLESS YOU CLAIM A LEADING OF THE SPIRIT ABOVE AND BEYOND YOUR FELLOW BELIEVERS (do you?) THEN, IT WILL ALWAYS BE THUS.    This response is to your saying 'AT LEAST THIS IS WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT IT'. ATY Judy! (According to you, Judy!) From: Judy Taylor   JD And so it is,  that man (in Romans chapter 1) sees the creation as a witness of God just as surely as God is at work within him  both to will and to accomplish His pleasure.   It is all about God.   We can either attach ourselves to this reality and inherit life or we can refuse the only reality that is and die.   What a choice !!   We have no power to attach ourselves to anything JD, we can only come to Christ one way and this is by being drawn by the Father through the Spirit by the Word and it is the "engrafted Word" which is able to save the soul as we choose to walk in it.    In Romans 1:18,19 - Yes men can know by the creation that there is a God, but when they don't glorify Him as God and hold the truth in unrighteousness - their foolish hearts are darkened.  So where would you get the idea that God is at work in those who have never surrendered to Christ?  These people have a different spirit at work in them (See Ephesians 2:1,2) which is  the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience. At least this is what God says about it.                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)