RE: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles

[ShieldsFamily]

Lance I cannot defend or denounce Calvin, as I am not that familiar with him.  So far as I can tell, I’m not in agreement with his doctrines, but am not interested enough to care.  Sorry to disappoint you.  iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:34 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles   Are both Linda and DavidM IYO Calvinists Lance?  Maybe it is not forthcoming because they are willing to allow someone to hold an opinion that is different from their own which is something your mentors could not abide and so it seems neither can you.   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:26:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Where you reflect IGNORANCE and, choose to remain thus, I leave to your choosing. Where you choose to speak ill of God's servants, I await a warning from either David Miller or Linda Shields. Why, I wonder do I believe neither to be forthcoming?  From: Judy Taylor   I have yet to hurl an epithet anywhere Lance. My objection to Calvinism is for some very specific reasons with or without "firsthand knowledge or intricate and specific detail" about Calvin the man. His teachings are enough. I will leave the man to God.  I have no desire to be an expert on John Calvin the man or any other anti-Christ (meaning in place of) figure for that matter and this would include Athanasius, Augustine, Aquinas, et al. along to the present Papacy both rc and protestant.  I am happy to leave you to tend to them while I press on to know the Lord and the power of His resurrection in my daily life.   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:12:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Were I prone to worry Judy, YOU would not be among those about whom I would. Why? I perceive you to be a completely and utterly genuine believer, who esteems the Scriptures highly and who lives what she believes. Now, when it comes to the hurling of epithets at those servants of God about whom you possess no firsthand knowledge, I'd put you alongside DaveH and Blainer and their knowledge of the TRUE GOSPEL. (Believe it or not, this is a sort of compliment, Judy) From: Judy Taylor   I wonder if the Bereans had done any reading of primary source material when they examined what Paul preached. Also the apostle John, I wonder if he had read source material when he exhorted 1st Century Christians not to even wish a false teacher "godspeed" for if they did they would be a "partaker of his evil deeds"  If I were prone to worry you would worry me Lance. You are more concerned about these men than you are about Jesus Himself and the ministry of the Spirit of Christ.  IMO you need to do more primary reading from the source of all Truth - then you will more accurately be qualified to discern between good and evil.  Your qualifications are not those of Christ.   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:26:28 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: YOU JUDY are not entitled to call it anything, IMO. You've not done, insofar as I know, any reading of primary source material (2 vol Institutes, Commentaries). It's akin to hearing an atheist condemn the teachings of the Scriptures based upon the same sort of evidentiary inquiry that you've conducted with John Calvin.   From: Judy Taylor   Would Calvinistic heresay be acceptable Lance?  Where did the doctrine called Calvinism come from if not from him?  What should we call doctrine taken from his institutes and taught in our 20th Century Churches?  Can I call it teachings of Calvin that Lance calls hearsay?   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:07:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: With apologies (sort of) in advance to David Miller and Linda Shields, I ask you once again, Judy: Do you believe that you are MORE DISCERNING THAN JOHN CALVIN?  IMO, your regard for Scriptures appears to be second to nobody on TT. (regard NOT being the same thing as understanding). However, you do indeed appear to read/study and live it insofar as you are enabled. Scripture is a primary source for you. Amen! for that. Now, other than the blessed internet, how much of John Calvin's own writings, have you actually read. Do you possess anything whatsoever by him? If all that you know of him would be classed as 'hearsay' then do cease and desist from your unfounded allegations hereafter. Stick to that which you claim to understand, please?.  From: Judy Taylor   Sure they do, they camp around John Calvin don't they?  Why do you think there are so many different doctrines all claiming to be the truth?   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological error in your neck of the woods?   On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CPL, Are [Bible] readers who believe that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for the already converted 'sums up the Law and Prophets' Christian/s?   On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:01:39 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || Matt 7:11 is a scripture that is used to encourage people to seek the Baptism in the Holy Spirit... jt ||   --   for reference: 7:12So in everything, do [the good] to others [t]hat you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.                                              judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)