Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath

[Terry Clifton]

It's hard to give a definition so I will give you an example.  I do not know if you are old enough to remember George Wallace, but he was just a tad too liberal for me. That is the political picture.  Seriously, I think that liberals are convinced that God is too loving to send people like Judas to Hell.  That may be an ultra liberal. I am not sure.  Conservarives take no chances on God being that kind and play it safe by being as obedient as they can possibly be.  Fear of God's wrath is as important to consider in my own walk as is my gratitude for His mercy. A good word, Terry. I shall attempt to take it to heart. By the by, just who do you perceive to be the 'liberals' on TT? How is it that you define 'liberal'? Yikes!! , have I done 'it' already? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 21, 2005 07:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath Sometimes you hurt people to help people Dean.  I love Judy too.  I am usually on her side in these stupid arguements we are all having.  What I told her was to help her communicate with those who find her so abrasive.  If we can clean up our act, possibly they will clean up their's and we can have some meaningful discussions.  Right now we are biting great chunks out of one another simply trying to be top dog.  To quote Jesus:"Do good to those who abuse you."  If we cannot all learn that, it would be better to just leave this list and not communicate at all.  Someone has to show not only love, but humility and concern for our Lord and each other.  If the conservatives do not do it, we cannot expect the liberals to do it.  Too much pride on both sides, and that includes you and me Terry Dean Moore wrote: cd: Terry here is something for you to consider: Rev:12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the women, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God , and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.  Saint/Christians keeping the commandment of God? All ten commandments are within the two you mentioned(ie love of God and love of the brethern)-yet one cannot remove the ten from the two-The ten gives understanding/boundries to the two.The ten shows how to love and how to not sin by worshipping idols,breaking sabbath,...etc.But as important is the love of the brethern as is Judy-You should not have hurt her it is wrong.She was really trying to help you and loved you.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/19/2005 10:54:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath Keeping the law has never saved anyone, girls.  The law has value in that it shows us (to some extent) what sin is.  We no longer offer a sacrifice because Jesus was our sacrifice.  If that part of the law has been fulfilled, then all the law has been fulfilled.  The shed blood of Jesus was far more valuable than the blood of any sacrifice you can think of or all the sacrifices ever offered stacked on an alter together.  The law is history, and history only has value as a teacher.  Look at the verse you post in every missive, Judy.  He that says, "I know Him", and doesn't keep HIS commandments is a liar.  The two laws given by Jesus are HIS commands.  The old law allowed you to hate your enemy.  The new law requires you to love him.  Now you know.  What are you going to do about it?  If the love is there, let it show, 'cause right now, Judy, I Truly wish I could see it in you and I cannot, no matter how hard I try.  I know it hurts you to read this, but it needed to be said.  I hope you will examine yourself before you reply, then, when you are done, feel free to examine me.  I am sure I have faults that I cannot see either. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: Oooh, Judy, good point! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath In a message dated 12/17/2005 3:25:29 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christ's physical ministry was to the Jew, only.   He lived under the law and was the fulfillment of that law.  In Him is the end of the law.   In Him is no such thing.  God's law has not gone anywhere.  In fact according to the apostle John who writes under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament "SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW" So how can one transgress against something that is ended?  Or are you saying that nobody sins anymore since you have proclaimed the end of the law?                                          judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4) < /BODY>