Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath

[Judy Taylor]

Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sometimes you hurt people to help people Dean.  I love Judy too.  I am usually on her side in these stupid arguements we are all having.   Thank you Terry; I know you are always well meaning and I do appreciate that.    What I told her was to help her communicate with those who find her so abrasive.  If we can clean up our act, possibly they will clean up their's and we can have some meaningful discussions.  Right now we are biting great chunks out of one another simply trying to be top dog.    You do misjudge motives however Terry and deliberately hurting ppl to change them should be left to God whose judgment is perfect. We are told to love ppl (this is where the New Commandment comes in) and love covers the multitude of sin... I don't see the discussions on TT as meaningless in spite of the sniping.  Paul reasoned with ppl (who thought they knew it all) from the scriptures for 3yrs before he wiped his hands of their blood and went on.   To quote Jesus:"Do good to those who abuse you."    Examples of this in scripture (ie praying for enemies) are Luke 23:34 which is Jesus praying from the cross; Acts 7:60 = Stephen praying for those who are stoning him; 1 Cor 4:12 where Paul writes "even to this present hour we both hunger and thirst, and are naked and are buffeted and have no certain dwellingplace; and labor working with our own hands; being reviled we bless; being persecuted we suffer it; being defamed we entreat; we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day" (Sounds like a street preacher doesn't he)? And finally Christ our example "Who did not sin, neither was guile found in his mouth; who when he was reviled reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously ..."   If we cannot all learn that, it would be better to just leave this list and not communicate at all.  Someone has to show not only love, but humility and concern for our Lord and each other.    Then the adversary would have won by shutting everyone up. You need to understand Terry that the war is not personal.  It is not about you or me; the war is against God's Word.   If the conservatives do not do it, we cannot expect the liberals to do it.  Too much pride on both sides, and that includes you and me  Terry   I don't consider it pride to say what God says Terry.  Nor do I consider God or His Word to be political in any way. Please pray about these judgments you are making.  Blessings, judyt Dean Moore wrote: cd: Terry here is something for you to consider: Rev:12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the women, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God , and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.  Saint/Christians keeping the commandment of God? All ten commandments are within the two you mentioned(ie love of God and love of the brethern)-yet one cannot remove the ten from the two-The ten gives understanding/boundries to the two.The ten shows how to love and how to not sin by worshipping idols,breaking sabbath,...etc.But as important is the love of the brethern as is Judy-You should not have hurt her it is wrong.She was really trying to help you and loved you.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/19/2005 10:54:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath Keeping the law has never saved anyone, girls.  The law has value in that it shows us (to some extent) what sin is.  We no longer offer a sacrifice because Jesus was our sacrifice.  If that part of the law has been fulfilled, then all the law has been fulfilled.  The shed blood of Jesus was far more valuable than the blood of any sacrifice you can think of or all the sacrifices ever offered stacked on an alter together.  The law is history, and history only has value as a teacher.  Look at the verse you post in every missive, Judy.  He that says, "I know Him", and doesn't keep HIS commandments is a liar.  The two laws given by Jesus are HIS commands.  The old law allowed you to hate your enemy.  The new law requires you to love him.  Now you know.  What are you going to do about it?  If the love is there, let it show, 'cause right now, Judy, I Truly wish I could see it in you and I cannot, no matter how hard I try.  I know it hurts you to read this, but it needed to be said.  I hope you will examine yourself before you reply, then, when you are done, feel free to examine me.  I am sure I have faults that I cannot see either. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: Oooh, Judy, good point! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath In a message dated 12/17/2005 3:25:29 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christ's physical ministry was to the Jew, only.   He lived under the law and was the fulfillment of that law.  In Him is the end of the law.   In Him is no such thing.  God's law has not gone anywhere.  In fact according to the apostle John who writes under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament "SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW" So how can one transgress against something that is ended?  Or are you saying that nobody sins anymore since you have proclaimed the end of the law?                                          judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4) < /BODY>                                            judyt                                        He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments                               is a liar (1 John 2:4)