[TruthTalk] Who decides

[Judy Taylor]

Antecedent Perry?  Only for the apostles? I know dispensationalists teach and believe this way and they also teach that all four gospels are only for the Jews. and just like with healing, if we will not believe we will not receive. Even Jesus was limited in some places from doing any mighty works because of unbelief.   The Amplified Bible reads: "And He said to them. Go into all the world, and preach and publish openly the good news (the Gospel) to every creature (of the whole human race). He who believes (who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth) and is baptized will be saved (from the penalty of eternal death); but he who does not believe (who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth) will be condemned."   The way I read it the antecedent to the He above which is Vs.16 would be "every creature of the whole human race"  Not too many walk in this kind of faith but the same signs still accompany those who believe and are faithful to preach and speak as the oracles of God.   From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Izzy,      This text addresses only the 11 apostles, to whom Jesus was speaking. There may be other texts that say the same for other believers that v16 says for the apostles...but this verse does not. Do you know of any other verses that apply to all believers?      This verse (16) is often used as a proof-text that baptism is required for salvation. But, since it is applied only to the apostles, we cannot generally say this text applies to anyone else.     Reading v14-v20 will reveal that Jesus is addressing the apostles. In v16, when you see he, replace it with it's antecedent (the apostles). So when 'he' occurs in v16, it refers to "he, of the apostles". Then, he tells them of all the signs and protections they (the apostles) will take with them when they go out.   This also means that the signs in v17 and v18 apply only to the apostles.   BTW, Izzy, the Holy Spirit revealed this understanding to me.   Perry     >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who decides >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:20:29 -0600 > >Really???? So only the apostles are saved if they believe and are baptized? >That does not go for anyone since the apostles? iz > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke >Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:24 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who decides > >I stated that I do in my original post below. > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who decides > >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:46:19 -0600 > > > >Perry, so do you think the "He" in verse 16 refers only to the apostles, > >too? izzy > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dean Moore > >Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:54 PM > >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides > > > >cd: I agree Perry. > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > > Date: 12/21/2005 5:00:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides > > > > > > David, > > > > > >    Regarding your item 2, we might also conclude that Jesus was >speaking > > > specifically to the apostles, and that this does not apply to all > >believers. > > > The key is to identify the antecedent of "He" in verse 16, which I > >believe > > > to exclusively be the apostles. > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > David wrote: > > > > > > 2.  Mark 16:16-20 > > > (16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that > >believeth > > > not shall be damned. > > > (17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall > >they > > > cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; > > > (18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, >it > > > shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall > > > recover. > > > (19) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up > >into > > > heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. > > > (20) And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working > >with > > > them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. > > > > > > How many Christians have believed and been baptized but have not seen > >any > >of > > > these signs follow them?  Again, we either have to conclude that the > >concept > > > of faith as taught by Jesus is something greater than the popular > >concept > >of > > > it, or that Jesus was bearing false testimony here, or perhaps that >this > > > passage only applies to the immediate believers to whom he spoke.  I > >take > > > the position that faith is something more than what most people think > >faith > > > is. > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you >may > >know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a > >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > > > > >---------- > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >know > >how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a > >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > > > > >---------- > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a > >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > >---------- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >know >how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) >http://www.InnGlory.org > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > >---------- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) >http://www.InnGlory.org > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.     ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.