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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
He actually believes in the very same scriptures the rest of do.
DAVEH: As I understand DavidM, he believes prophets exist today. Is that the way you believe as well, Bishop?
From your posts, I was under the impression that you believe the heavens are closed, and there is no need for prophets today. Am I reading you wrong on this? Not what I said at all. I spoke ofadditional scripture. No need for more if it was right to start with.
He didn't get it right the first time.
DAVEH: How do you read that in LDS theology? We certainly don't feel nor believe that way. We believe he revealed the Word of God to the Primitive Church, but do to the doctrines of men, and the grievous wolves, there came to be a famine of the Word of God. Which is one of the reasons why the Church needed restoring. Yes, I understand this. But, in practice, you do not believe what you just wrote (above). The First Scriptures belong to the pre-apostate era. Your scriptures are very different from those. And we do know what the First Church was designed to be -- because of these scriptures. Even Mormons have to agree with this. Your church is not really similar to the preApostate churc h. That is why I said that God , according to Mormon doctrine, must have got it wrong. .... because your church is not similar to anything we have in preApostate documents including the early church historians. Mormons are restoring a church that does not exist in First Church scripture or history !!!
the Mormon Church is so very different from the first and pre-apostate church found in the First and PreApostate Scriptures.
DAVEH: I'm not quite sure why you see it that way, John. From our perspective, Protestantism seems to be so very different from the first and pre-apostate church. What is it that bothers you about Mormonism being so very different? Do us both a favor, for the sake of this discussion, and leave off the Mormon rhetoric "Protestants." Several of us have objected to the use of this word.. I do also. & nbsp;I am not a Protestant........just a Christian. So take me out of that little box and think that you are talking to someone who is not defending a particular liturgy or denominational history.Now, why am I bothered by the notion that the Mormon church is is so very different? Honestly, DH, I do not understand why this is not obvious !! If you are RESTORING the First Chruch, then I would expect the Mormon church to be the same as the First Church. That obviously is not the case. So, the very reason for the existence of your church is at odds with your own stated purpose. J Smith RESTORED NOTHING. &nbs p;
you have apostrate trouble
DAVEH: LOL........Good one, JD! :-D :-)
if we dug up some document that made it clear the Mormon church was no longer in the good graces of God. How would you respond?
DAVEH: That would be hard to do for somebody who doesn't believe God continues to reveal things. What other document could possibly be as authoritative as one from God? I am asking you to speculate - as you did with your questions about A & E.&nbs p;
upon what authority would you reject such a document?
DAVEH: Isn't there only one authority that is absolutely trustworthy....God's revealed word. As I read the Bible, I cannot see the same conflict between it and LDS theology that you see. But...that is understandable, since you are unwilling to accept that God may have revealed things that are not included in the Bible. Therefore, it seems the position you have to take is that God does not reveal his will to Prophets in a post Biblical era. Am I correct in concluding you believe such? Are you going to answer my question or settle for making absevations about my beliefs? You are correct --------- now, please answer my question.
jd
