From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*The operative point in our discussion is not that Christians would or
would not welcome new revelation...*
DAVEH: To me, it is a very pertinent point. You made the claim, and from
my experience it is not a claim I've heard any Christians previously make.
If what you say is true, then it should be easy to hear the same words come
from other Christian. So far....you are the only one I can remember saying
such. My experience suggests that most Christians simply want to believe
the heavens are closed.
The operative point is whether He HAS allowed new revelation. The point, in
particular, is whether the mormon works are scripture. THAT is the question,
Dave. Not whether or not he COULD; we all know he COULD if he wished...we
just beleive that the mormon works are not scripture.
*No more needs to be done, or said to complete or augment the gospel of
Jesus Christ. It is finished.*
DAVEH: That is the attitude I've found so prevalent, that we LDS find so
incongruous.
It is prevalent because it says so in the Bible, Dave...you are arguing with
Jesus. You are contradicting the Bible. That is allowed in mormonism...you
(mormons) do it all the time.
*If indeed Jude 3 and Hebrews 1-2 are true, there would be no gain
(biblically...although perhaps personally) from adding to it. *
DAVEH: It seems to me that continued revelation/Scripture could have
significant *gain,* if for no other reason than answering Christian
questions of doctrine.
Not if it is truly finished as Jesus says. Not if Jude 3 and Hebrews 1:1-2
are correct.
* There are a series of objective tests that books of the Bible had to
meet before they were considered scripture ("canonical"), and against which
new "scripture" is judged.*
DAVEH: I've not heard of them......Where can those *objective tests * be
found?
See the URL in a subsequent post, plus the book I referenced.
*That is why we must take heed to take 2 Cor 11:3,4; Gal 1:6-9 to heart.*
DAVEH: It does cause one to wonder that if........
/[Gal 1:6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you
into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:/
.........they were having such problems so soon, then does one suppose they
may have had such problems in the 2 millennia since then.
There will always be doubters, detractors, changers, liars, deceivers, Dave.
Satan is out to destroy the gospel by turning as many as he can away from
the Jesus and God of the Bible. The mormons seem to be one of his best
foils, in my opinion.
*We assume that Hebrews 1:1-2 is correct, in that in these last days God
spoke to us through his Son.*
DAVEH: Logically, that would present a dilemma if one assumes your
understanding of it is correct, since all of the NT was written after Jesus
died, and much of it characterizes the events that happened post
crucification.
Only a diilemma to those that are trying to justify false scripture. Jesus
delivered the faith once...he IS the gospel message...the Word...the writers
of the NT just documented it and its spread through the world. YOU are being
ILLOGICAL if you think scripture had to be written while He was still alive.
The gospel didn't even have POWER until he was rose from the dead.
*How honest a scholar are you Dave? Are you the man to do it? *
DAVEH: As you well know, I'm not much of a scholar, Perry. I prefer to
trust in the Lord over scholarship. What he has revealed to me via the
Holy Ghost is more pertinent to my needs than a scholarly discussion.
That's why I previously said that I did not join TT to change my religious
perspective, but rather I'm here to find out why and how Protestants
justify theirs.
What? The burning in the bosom? And why, after being on TT for years, do you
continue to challenge the same points over and over ad nausium? Why do you
never learn although you have asked the same thing many times and have been
told the same things over and over and over. Dave, you and I have had this
VERY discussion at least once before. Why do you not remember that I am
saying exactly the same things I said before, and you are giving exactly the
same responses you gave before? Plus, i am not trying to change your
religious perspective. Write it down this time so we don't have to go
through this again next year, okay? When you ask the question again next
year I'll remind you to check your notes.
*I would not rely on Google for uncovering the truth about anything.*
DAVEH: I was not asking you to use Google to discover truth, but rather
use it to find evidence to support your theory that seemed rather flawed to
me. I spent a few minutes trying to find others who expressed the same
thing you did, but was unable to find it. As I've pointed out before, it
is pretty hopeless to try to prove a negative. When you think of the
vastness of the net, it will only be a few weeks before these TT posts will
be googleable, and your specific quote will then be online for anybody to
access. Yet when I queried google for some other Christian expressing
exactly the same sentiment, I turned up a big fat zero. To me....that is
amazing. That's not to say there aren't other Christians who think as you
do, Perry....but it does suggest few of them are willing to express it
publicly.
You won't find this on Google. It lies within the fact that we accept the
sovereignty of God, and His ability to produce additional scripture (in
fact, to do anything) any time HE deems it desirable. I think ALL who accept
the God of the Bible believe that. The point here is that we believe that NO
NEW SCRIPTURE has been produced. Period. Could He? Yes. Did he? No. Simple.
Google all you want. But search for articles about God's sovereignty and
omniscience, and then in your mind try to think of something he CANNOT do.
It is the mormon god who has produced what you call scripture, which we call
extra-biblical works, and we al know who he is.
Perry
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