On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:34:27 -0500 "Lance Muir" <
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> Are you, DavidM, another Smith Wigglesworth?
>
>
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> From: "David Miller"
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> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and
prophets
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>
> > John wrote:
> >> When
you read this word, you see "office"
> >> and argue from that
perspective. When
> >> I see the word
"apostle." I see function,
> >> assignment, a specific and
personal calling
> >> to the exclusion of "office."
>
>
> > I'm not sure what you mean by "to the exclusion of
office," but
> you have
> > basically given a definition for
how I use the word office.
> >
> > John wrote:
>
>> ... [apostles were] presented with the assignment of
>
>> imparting the message of Christ in word and script.
>
>
> > Where in Scripture do you see the apostles being given the
> assignment of
> > imparting the message of Christ in
script? I don't think that was
> part of
> > their
assignment because most of them did not leave us script, and
> it
> > seems
> > likely to me that most of them never wrote
anything. I believe
> their
> > assignment was oral
preaching and ministry to the poor and sick.
> >
> > John
wrote:
> >> It is a function to me and an office to you.
>
>
> > No, it is a function to me too, but the word "office"
helps
> describe an
> > assigned function in the body of
Christ. It is a stewardship, a
> > responsibility to the body
of Christ that they have.
> >
> > John wrote:
>
>> IMO, a faith healer is one who thinks he/she has
> >>
identical powers and purpose as that of Jesus and
> >> the
typical "12." That power emanates from their
> >>
person.
> >
> > Say what???? I don't know of any
"faith healer" who has ever
> claimed that
> > "power
emanates from their person." Even the apostles decried
>
such
> > characterizations (Acts 14). Please name me one
faith healer who
> has ever
> > held to such a
position.
> >
> > I have brought up Smith Wigglesworth as
a faith healer of the last
>
> > century.
> > If
you like, we can talk about him from my perspective of what a
>
faith
> > healer is.
> >
> > John wrote:
>
>> He [Wigglesworth] does not seem to fit into the mold
>
>> of the "faith healer." But, I really do not know.
>
>
> > If Smith Wigglesworth does not fit the mold of a faith
healer,
> then I
> > don't
> > know of anyone,
including the apostles of Scripture, who would.
> He
prayed
> > for the sick, had healing lines in his meetings where he
would lay
> hands
> > upon the sick, and he had tremendous
testimonies of people being
> healed
> > and
> >
raised from the dead.
> >
> > John wrote:
> >>
You and I cannot point to a single healer, not one,
> >>
David, who healed all who made appearances at
> >> their
services IN SPITE OF AN EFFORT TO DO
> >> SO.
>
>
> > I am not aware of any effort to do so, but I would agree
with you
> that I
> > do
> > not know of anyone
who healed all who came to them. The problem
> from my
>
> perspective is that unbelief is far too prevalent for us to expect
> such to
> > happen.
> >
> > John
wrote:
> >> I do not see that same failure when I
consider
> >> Jesus and the apostles or those whom they
>
>> commissioned.
> >
> > The Bible gives us an
example of where the apostles failed to
> heal, and
> >
even
> > Jesus too was unable to heal sometimes.
>
>
> > Matthew 17:16
> > (16) And I brought him to thy
disciples, and they could not cure
> him.
> >
> >
Mark 6:5
> > (5) And he could there do no mighty work, save that he
laid his
> hands upon
> > a
> > few sick folk, and
healed them.
> >
> > John wrote:
> >> I have
given you reference !!
> >> I have quoted from several biblical
writers.
> >
> > I'm talking about your assertion that you
are on the side of
> theologians
> > and
> > I am
not. Which theologians hold to this viewpoint of yours that
>
the
> > prophets today are guys like Barth, Wright, etc.
>
>
> > John wrote:
> >> What is not going to work, in
this discussion, is
> >> for you to continue to pretend that I
might be
> >> making up "stuff." I do not do this.
>
>
> > Please reference for me those who have fed you the
thoughts you
> have, that
> > there are no faith healers
today, that the last apostle was John,
> and that
> >
prophets are theologians like Barth, Wright, etc. If you are not
> making
> > this stuff up, then who is teaching it to
you? If possible, give
> me some
> > Pentecostal
references please.
> >
> > John wrote:
> >> In
the current discussion, who have you
> >> referenced other than
H. ??
> >
> > The Didache.
> >
> >
Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
> >
> >
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> > know how you ought to answer every
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