Do Catholics think of these statues as "idols.?"
Are they not expressions of their faith in God and His
Christ? None of the idols of the Message were attached
to the Living God. The compaison, Dean, that you make is
not a biblical one.
jd
cd: John this message was in my drafts folder-so I sent
it today not intending to rehash old augments by preaching the old
gospel in modern times but to enlighten as the old gospel has never
changed. I disagree as if is very biblical. It doesn't matter what
the catholics"think of these statues"
Not true. I have a picture of
"Jesus " in our family Bible. Is that an "idol?"
Of course not. And why -- because I say so
!!! I decide if an idol is a god or
not. That is precisely what is wrong with an
idal. I am the one who decides it to be "a
god." Catholics use statues as "objects lessons" as they
function and communicate with God. The RCC is a Christian
Church -- with a lot of problems,
admittedly. They are wonderfull people and full of
faith.
cd: John an Idol is something one prays to
or worships that is forbidden. To pray to the Jesus in your
family bible is not forbidden. Paul,in Romans 1:18-25,
teaches that idolatry is not the first stage of religion,from which
man by an evolutionary process emerges to monotheism, but is the
result of deliberate religious apostasy (ie. The Compact Bible
Dictionary). I do realize that there are Christian with much faith
within the RCC but these people will be known by their resistance to
sin that is taught in the RCC such as Idolatry. How do you define
Idolatry John? If you are the one whom decides
what Idol is or is
not-what do you do with God's definition of what an idol
is?
what matters is what God said.- the act of bowing
down and praying to someone other that God/ Christ- is idolatry.
Exod.20: 4
Good quote. When was the last time
you saw a Catholic bow down to a false God? You really
do not know what you are talking about,
here.
cd: John I do know of which I am
speaking-I have heard CC members pray to Mary-and have spoken to
students on College campus who "pray to the saints". My response to
them is how do you know that these saints even went to heaven? Could
you be praying to someone who dwells in Hell? I then show those
students the 2nd commandment with the instruction to worship
God only-thru Christ. I then compare Mary to John the Baptist-whom
was greatest among men and nowhere in the Bible are we told to pray
to John the Baptist. Respectfully, you have much to learn of the RCC
and the Bible.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
of any thing in heaven or that is in the earth beneath,... thou
shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I the Lord
am a jealous God. St John didn't know he was doing wrong by
bowing to a angel but was also corrected- Rev 19:10
1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not
inherit the kingdom of god? Be not deceived: neither fornicators,
nor Idolaters....shall inherit the kingdom of God.
As concerning the faith of the catholics-Arn't we told to test
faith by works
There are few on this
site who believes in testing the sprits.
Everythime I ask DM for some kind of evidence, some kind of
verification for his claim to be an apostle and a prophet
- I get silence.
cd: I perceive that your request to
D.Millers is viewed as wanting a "sign" from David-The Jews also
wanted a "sign" from Christ to support His Claims-they
were given none as we do not walk by signs but by faith. He did
mention to some that the only sign given would be the sign of Jonah
who died for three day and came to life. If these Jews failed to see
the miracles Christ performed what other proof could Jesus give
them? Try asking David to tell of his prophecies so that his light
will shine and God can be given glory. I too would like to hear them
to give God glory-What do you say David? Satan also asked Jesus For
a sign to prove he was the son of God and he also was not given that
sign.
-and every man was judged by their works Rev:20;13? Or a tree
by it's fruit?Therefore I will use God measuring rod to decide
truth.Thes Catholics also removed the 2nd commandment of Idolatry
and divided the 10th commandment (coveting)into two
commandments-making ten commandments-back to our same old
question of why would they remove they words in the first
place?
I don't believe there is idolatry in the
Catholic church -- certainly not of the kind God in
scripture references.
jd
cd: Try telling that to the next Jew you
meet and see what answer he gives you?