Re: [TruthTalk] Reconciliation to the Father through Christ (JD)

[Judy Taylor]

On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:49:22 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Language/Terminology: Which words shall we use then? If we utilize only words employed in the Bible then, shall we restrict ourselves to the languages in which they were originally written? If we do this then which mss shall we draw from?   Just how many versions of the same Word to you have access to Lance?   You said 'seems to me that JESUS BEING GOD/MAN IS THE ISSUE' I agree. IFO believe that WHO JESUS IS is THE HEART OF THE GOSPEL. He is NOT the spirit brother of Lucifer (Mormonism). He is NOT Michael the archangel (JW). He is NOT an avatar (Hinduism). He is NOT simply a prophet, one among many (Islam). He is NOT simply a good teacher who left us a good example of how to live (?).    No he was never any of the above ...   IMO, we on TT will not come to a UNIFORM UNDERSTANDING of WHO JESUS IS! Why we will not interests me greatly. I should like to hear from anyone on this matter.   Because the ONLY way will will ever come to a "uniform understanding" that has anything to do with God and His ways is to submit ourselves to His Own Word rather than the words of everyone else out there who wants to help us along by attempting to explain him.     From: Judy Taylor   Why do you say "beginnings" Lance I don't see "trinitarian understanding" anywhere in the Word of God - I use the word Godhead which means the same thing and have been saying all along that understanding must come through God's Word by God's Spirit so I am not really saying anything different here - Seems to me that Jesus being God/Man is the issue at hand; so what exactly does this mean to you?  (in Canadianese)   On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:04:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JT, I also may be mistaken but I get the idea that you've just offered up the beginnings of a trinitarian understanding of God's reconciling work in Christ by the Spirit. The Father is God. Jesus is God/Man. The Spirit is God. God alone saves/reconciles/redeems/restores. From: Judy Taylor   JD, I may be mistaken but I get the idea you are constantly striving over these "Jesus is God" and "Eternal Son" issues to try to conform scripture to the teachings of the Church Fathers or what is known as "Orthodoxy" extra Biblical teachings that have been handed down generationally.   Why not submit oneself to God's Word and allow Him to give you understanding.  You know how every word is established by two or more scriptural witnesses? Well here is another witness to the truth of Col 1:19.   "It was God (personally present in Christ), reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against (men) their trespasses (but cancelling them) and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor)." (2 Cor 5:19) Amp   Notice it does not say it was Christ as God who reconciled the world to himself?   The Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead - He is equal to both Father and Son; Jesus as son of man walked in His fullness.  So tell me, what is wrong with just allowing God to be God and allowing His Word to reveal His intent to this generation?  We don't want to repeat Israel's error ... you know the stiff neck syndrome...