1. You believe that unregenerated man cannot do what is
right. You have stated that many times in the past. I
was just hoping that you good explain how that can be true with the
example of Nineveh hanging over this theological conclusion.
I have no problem with unregenerated man
repenting and this is what the ppl of Nineveh did; when one
have no theological boxes there is no
problem.
2. Secondly, you believe that Christ stopped being God
in spite of the oft quoted (by you) passage "God is the
same yesterday, today, and forever." I was
hoping for an explanation of this, as well.
No worries JD. Yesterday he was God the
Word, today He is God the Word, and this will be his place
in the Godhead forever. Actually you do
not quote correctly JD. It is Jesus Christ, the same
yesterday,
today and forever.
Ask me a question, Judy, about my beliefs and I will be glad
to answer it emphatically , not fearing being "set
up." I do not mind being responsible for what
I consider to be true. Could you please do the
same? I doubt anyone on this forum can tell the
rest of us what you believe. Seriously jd
That's easy JD. I BELIEVE THE
BIBLE
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From: Judy Taylor
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God is the Creator of the ppl in Nineveh also
and He is merciful and longsuffering enough
to want to give them one more chance which
they took for a measure of time even though they
regressed later and were eventually
destroyed. Their response to Jonah's
warning bought
them some time but unfortunately they
did not gain eternity.
And what does that have to do with the people of Nineveh?
They don't have to have the
Spirit to do right as long as the preacher has the
Spirit?
jd
From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Yes ... and Jonah was called by God
and anointed to speak by the Spirit of
God..
But aren't you the one who preaches that one cannot
do the works of God without the Spirit of God?
jd
From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Death reigned from Adam to Moses and
it reigned over Nineveh in Jonah's day.. So obviously
the wages of sin is death with or
without a written Law. Jonah called on these people to
repent
and they did do that in sackcloth and
ashes... even without theological
permission.
well, Nineveh was not under the Law. Jonah does
not call them to the Law.
And it is the Law that defines sin to be
sin. Can sin exist apart from the
law?
Paul says it does. Jonah is certainly not
calling them to live their lives as the
Jews lived theirs !! jd
I'm with Bill on this one.
God is with Bill on this one, IMO, of
course.
I'm not surprised since
you and Bill are so into culture and all that - but
don't bring God into your folly.
The pagan Persian City
of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonah (Luke
11:32) And what do you
suppose his
message to them was?
How interesting - Debbie
Sawzak is of a Calvinistic bent; because after all it
is his doctrine that claims one must be regenerated before it is possible to repent because
of "total depravity" and this comes out of a
misunderstanding of the
spiritual realities involved.
Is repentance part of the Gospel?
Yes, the NT is replete with directives to repent.
But repentance is not a means by which or through
which people are saved. It is Jesus Christ who is
our Savior. Salvation is in him, complete with
mediation on our behalf. Repentance is
therefore our response to the greatest news the
world has ever heard; it is our response to the good
news of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
Lance, I now see what you meant
today about the exchange bw Bill and David, having
read the full message from Bill. The above is the
crux, isn't it? It (esp the part I bolded) reminds
me of what Victor said numerous times in his Human
Person course: I know Christ first of all, before
anything else, as my Saviour. The accountability,
the repentance, arise out of
that.
D
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