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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:20
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Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the
gospel?
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Sent: January 14, 2006 14:18
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
Of course it is sin and needs repenting of. (JD is
actually making the same vocabulary mistake below as DM.) But it is not
immorality; in fact, it is morality. Where this whole discussion of
repentance began was with a critique of street preachers' focus on
repentance as a call to turn from immoral living to moral living. As
pointed out long ago by Bill and/or JD, the repentance urged on people in much
biblical preaching was not a call to moral living, but a call to recognize
God. Insofar as it was a call to moral living, it was to people who were
already the people of God, and was a call to recognize God as covenant
partner. Peter's sermon fits right into that and moves beyond
it; the covenant is gathered up in Christ who turns out to be both its
maker and keeper, and that is why repentance is sealed by being baptized into
him.
D
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Sent: January 14, 2006 12:54
Subject: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
Well it is something that needs to be repented of JD;
if it is not sin, then why the need to repent?
Dead works is something lifeless as opposed to works
of righteousness which are the fruit of walking after the spirit.
One is dead religion - the other is life and
peace.
Yes -- and who said that "repentance from dead
works" is speaking of sin, anyway? "Dead works" is that
body of works that convinces someone that she is accpted by God RATHER THAN
PLACING HER FAITH IN THE CHRIST and allowing Him and Him alone to be
glorified in this [saving] function. Bill's comment
is brilliant, I think, and as it is attached to Acts 2 --
the best possible understanding of what happened on that First
Day.
There is no reason to think that the Hebrews writer has something else
in mind when he speaks of repentance from the failing effort of self
justification.
jd
From:
"Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dead works is not the same as immorality, which
is what I think David means by sin. IMO, that [his equating sin with
immorality] is where this false and hence problematic distinction arises
between repentance from 'sin' and repentance from a failure to recognize
who Christ is.
yD
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Sent: January 14, 2006 09:38
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
Re:
repentance: basically, your admitting that Bill's understanding of the
Acts passage he posted is correct--i'd agree that's bible
teaching
however, the
point you are trying to make about it, represented below, is a
scripture dog that don't hunt--as usual, it is your own private
notion universalized, shot through with geekness but rooted plainly
(through contrast) in personalized philosophy, over which you
sprinkle some home-brew holy water labeled 'Heb
6:1'
the issue
historically is that you don't study and think much about (e.g.) Heb 6:1
while continually presupposing that it matches your philosophical
bias, bec to you it sounds always like it
does
in the end,
it simply ain't bible teaching, Bro
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:46:06 -0500 "David Miller" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
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> Surely you know better than to hang the entire
gospel on one's
> interpretation of one sermon.
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> Heb. 6:1 says that an elementary principle of the doctrine
of Christ
> is repentance from dead works. This clearly links
repentance and sin.
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