Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:41:36 -0800

SO?
His is the line God chose for His Promise to come through; everyone was a child of the fall.
Possibly Seth wasn't quite so fallen, I don't know; but I understand why it was not Cain.
 
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:53:28 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And Seth is a child of the fall.
 

From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bill, God called Israel his firstborn son also - now whose sperma was that?  Oh I guess you are going to tell me
Isaac.  But Ishmael was also a biological son of Abraham.  Don't you understand about spiritual seed at all?
Same with Adam; he had many sons but Seth is the one who carried the spiritual lineage.
 
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:05:04 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16

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From: Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne," (Acts 2.29-30).

Although it was by way of his adoption by Joseph that he was qualified to sit on the thrown, it was not by way of adoption that Jesus became the Seed of David: that came to him "according to the flesh":

"Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the seed (sperma) of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?" (Joh 7.42).

"... concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed (sperma) of David according to the flesh," (Rom 1.3).

"Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed (sperma) of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel," (2Tim 2.8).

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Taylor
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

Are you saying, Judy, that Mary is not of David's lineage? You had better think this through, as Jesus absolutely must be of the Seed of Abraham, which passes through David on its way to the fulfillment of the promise in Christ. "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to your Seed,' who is Christ" (Gal 2.16). And it is not by way of adoption that Abraham's Seed finds fulfillment in Christ. That would be a blasphemous thought: "What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made" (Gal 2.19).
 
You know, Judy, you always say "Show me in Scripture." Well, you have been shown. Now, is that all smoke, or are you going to live by your words?
 
Bill
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

From: Taylor
Luke writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act 2.30):
 
Not exactly Bill "David being a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him,
that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne."
Right, so in Matt we have a genealogy that shows Joseph is in David's lineage but he is
hardly the biological father of Jesus is he?  Even though Jesus is born in his lineage.
 
hence he was not some kind of new humanity, freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to fallen humankind;
No, he is human like David was human, born on our side of the fall.
 
He did not come to this earth through procreation Bill. He did not have a human father - He may have been
born on this side of the fall but he was most definitely not born fallen. One can not be fallen and holy ATST
 
And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham, David' predecessor. But it was not his humanity which pre-dated David; it was his divinity. And notice: he did not say that his Father was the I AM, and that he was copying him. No, Jesus said that he (and this before his glorification) is I AM; that is, Yahweh, the LORD who covenants with Abraham. 
 
So??  Noone here disputes his heritage.
 
Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man, two realities in one person, united -- but make him anything less than God or anything more than man and you are courting a demon, who is powerless to save you.
 
Either that or you are courting religious spirits who are filling your head with the doctrines they have been promoting for thousands of years.  He doesn't have to be fully anything. He is who the Word of God
says He is - which is the Word made flesh.
 
Bill 
 
 

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