Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

[Taylor]

It is really sad that Bill says I can't be saved unless I accept his kind of orthodoxy.   No, Bill is using the Bible to correct you, and to exhort you to change your mind, Judy. You want to spiritualize the Seed doctrine, when the Scriptures tell you that Jesus is the Seed of David according to flesh. And if it is according to the flesh that Christ was born, and this of David's seed, then what flesh do you think John is speaking of when he ascribes the spirit of antichrist to those who deny it? I am not making a bigger deal of this than I ought, Judy. I want you to have every opportunity to know and understand the error of your doctrine, because, believe it or not, it does make a difference how you answer the question: "Who do you say that I am?"   Please don't let your disdain for people (and this your elder brothers in Christ) cloud your ability to affirm truth when it is presented to you.   You know God juxtaposes the two kinds of seed in Genesis 3:15. I wonder whose loins the seed of the adversary came through, according to Bill.   They (feminine plural) came through the loins of Adam, just as did every human being who came after him. All that Adam was capable of producing after his fall and subsequent removal from the Garden was human beings destined to die. Yet for some reason the first fallen words out of his mouth -- that is, after their encounter with God -- were ones which changed his wife's name from "Woman," the one who had been made from his flesh, etc., to "Eve," the mother of all who live. Judy, if Jesus is not of Mary's blood then she is not his mother. Her flesh is not his flesh and her "Seed" (masculine singular) does not reach him. The truth is, however, that it does! Adam was privy to something that you deny. He calls her the mother of all the living. Something was going to spring from her womb that was going to justify life for all life. Follow the Seed promised to Eve throughout the Old Testament and you will discover an amazing story. Let that Seed pass through Seth, and Noah, and Abraham, and Jacob, and Judah, and David, and let it find fulfillment in the womb of Mary, and you will begin to realize the promise. But spiritualize it into abstraction and you could end up missing it all.   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man Thank you Dean,     On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:42:57 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: cd: I wrote a statement of Mary/Christ seed before I read yours Bill.I believe Judy has salvation -as I believe you Jd , Lance, and Debbie also have salvation From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/17/2006 7:54:17 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man And David is a direct descendant of Eve, is he not? Thus the Seed promised to Eve passed through Abraham, through David, and to Christ, through the woman, Mary. You are rejecting MUCH when you reject this.   If they care about Judy's salvation, it is time to start hearing from the Street Preacher's on this one. It is one thing to live in ignorance; it is quite another to reject what you know to be true.   Bill     From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man Mary might be David's lineage but she doesn't have loins does she? However, he was to be the seed of the woman - the other scriptures are good.  Thanks.   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:14:37 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Are you saying, Judy, that Mary is not of David's lineage? You had better think this through, as Jesus absolutely must be of the Seed of Abraham, which passes through David on its way to the fulfillment of the promise in Christ. "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to your Seed,' who is Christ" (Gal 2.16). And it is not by way of adoption that Abraham's Seed finds fulfillment in Christ. That would be a blasphemous thought: "What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made" (Gal 2.19).   You know, Judy, you always say "Show me in Scripture." Well, you have been shown. Now, is that all smoke, or are you going to live by your words?   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man From: Taylor Luke writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act 2.30):   Not exactly Bill "David being a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne." Right, so in Matt we have a genealogy that shows Joseph is in David's lineage but he is hardly the biological father of Jesus is he?  Even though Jesus is born in his lineage.   hence he was not some kind of new humanity, freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to fallen humankind; No, he is human like David was human, born on our side of the fall.   He did not come to this earth through procreation Bill. He did not have a human father - He may have been born on this side of the fall but he was most definitely not born fallen. One can not be fallen and holy ATST   And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham, David' predecessor. But it was not his humanity which pre-dated David; it was his divinity. And notice: he did not say that his Father was the I AM, and that he was copying him. No, Jesus said that he (and this before his glorification) is I AM; that is, Yahweh, the LORD who covenants with Abraham.    So??  Noone here disputes his heritage.   Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man, two realities in one person, united -- but make him anything less than God or anything more than man and you are courting a demon, who is powerless to save you.   Either that or you are courting religious spirits who are filling your head with the doctrines they have been promoting for thousands of years.  He doesn't have to be fully anything. He is who the Word of God says He is - which is the Word made flesh.   Bill      -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.   -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.   -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.