The question is still out there. What
person among us indwelt with the Holy Spirit could deny that Jesus Christ, the
Seed of David according to the flesh, was born of David's flesh
and blood?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:56
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither
God nor Man
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked
them, saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They
said to Him, "The Son of David." He said to them, "How then does
David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying: 'The LORD said to my Lord,
"Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool" '? "If
David then calls Him 'Lord,' how is He his Son?"
Oh, and you know the question that you and the
Pharisees can't answer: "If David then calls him 'Lord,' how is he his
son?" Well, since Jesus is both God and man, he is both David's Lord
(God) and his son (man). That's what Peter is saying in Acts 2.36: "Therefore
let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom
you crucified, both LORD and Christ (Son of
David)."
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:18
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
I explained this the other day, Judy; in fact
you may return to my post on Acts 3.36 if you like. This is a statement --
and strong affirmation on the part of David -- in regards to Jesus'
divine nature. We have been discussing his human nature. Where you confuse
the two, I do not. Hence it is not a problem for me to believe that the
deity of Jesus predated David, just like it predated Abraham, while
later his humanity received their Seed. The one needs not cancel out
the other, unless one confuses the two -- but then, of course, one is no
longer speaking of Christ.
Work on the following passage, Judy; it should
help you with your unbelief:
"For David says concerning him: 'I foresaw the LORD always
before my face, For He is at my right hand, that I may not be
shaken. Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad; Moreover
my flesh also will rest in hope. For You will not leave my soul in
Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. You have
made known to me the ways of life; You will make me full of joy in Your
presence.' Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you
of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is
with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God
had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to
the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, he,
foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His
soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. This
Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. Therefore
being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the
Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now
see and hear. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says
himself: 'The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I
make Your enemies Your footstool.'" Therefore let all the house of Israel
know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both LORD
and Christ."
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006
8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
Jesus Himself and I agree with Him rather than
with "orthodoxy"... ie:
"While the Pharisees were
gathered together Jesus asked them, saying "What think ye of Christ?
Whose son is he?" They say unto him. The son of David. He saith
unto them.
"How then doth David in spirit call
him Lord saying The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou on my right
hand till I make thine enemies thy
footstool?" If David then call him Lord, how is he his
son?
Looks like you are stuck in the same rut as the
Pharisees of that day were Bill .... (Matt 22:42-46)
What person among us indwelt
with the Holy Spirit could deny that Jesus Christ was born with David's
blood
running through his
veins?
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify
to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the
Offspring of David,
the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev
22.16
"Men and
brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch
David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to
this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God
had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body,
according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on
his throne," (Acts 2.29-30).
Although it was by way of his adoption by
Joseph that he was qualified to sit on the thrown, it was not
by way of adoption that Jesus became the Seed of David: that came to
him "according to the flesh":
"Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from
the seed (sperma) of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where
David was?" (Joh 7.42).
"... concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was
born of the seed (sperma) of David according to the flesh," (Rom
1.3).
"Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed (sperma) of
David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel," (2Tim
2.8).
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16,
2006 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Jesus , neither God nor Man
Are you saying, Judy, that Mary is
not of David's lineage? You had better think this through, as
Jesus absolutely must be of the Seed of Abraham, which passes
through David on its way to the fulfillment of the promise in
Christ. "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He
does not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to
your Seed,' who is Christ" (Gal 2.16). And it is not by way of
adoption that Abraham's Seed finds fulfillment in Christ. That
would be a blasphemous thought: "What purpose then does
the law serve? It was added because of
transgressions, till the Seed should come to
whom the promise was made" (Gal 2.19).
You know, Judy, you always say "Show
me in Scripture." Well, you have been shown. Now, is that all
smoke, or are you going to live by your words?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16,
2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Jesus , neither God nor Man
Luke
writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals
(Act 2.30):
Not
exactly Bill "David being a prophet and knowing that God had
sworn with an oath to him,
that of the fruit
of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up
Christ to sit on his throne."
Right, so in Matt we have a genealogy that shows
Joseph is in David's lineage but he is
hardly the biological father of Jesus is he?
Even though Jesus is born in his lineage.
hence he was not some kind of new humanity,
freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to
fallen humankind;
No,
he is human like David was human, born on our side of
the fall.
He
did not come to this earth through procreation Bill. He did
not have a human father - He may have been
born on this side of the fall but he
was most definitely not born fallen. One can not be fallen
and holy ATST
And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before
Abraham was, I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham,
David' predecessor. But it was not his humanity
which pre-dated David; it was his divinity. And notice:
he did not say that his Father was the I AM, and that
he was copying him. No, Jesus said that he (and this
before his glorification) is I AM; that
is, Yahweh, the LORD who covenants with
Abraham.
So?? Noone here
disputes his heritage.
Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man,
two realities in one person, united -- but make
him anything less than God or anything more
than man and you are courting a demon, who is powerless
to save you.
Either that or you are
courting religious spirits who are filling your head with
the doctrines they have been promoting for thousands of years. He
doesn't have to be fully anything. He is who the Word of
God
says He is - which is the
Word made flesh.
Bill
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