As far as I know, temptation preceeds sin and sinning. And temptation appeals to personal desire (called "lust" by James). Human nature is sin nature. I do not mean to say that a sin nature sins !! Christ had this very nature - I believe you called it "sinful flesh" on several occasions in the past. Well, sinful nature or sinful flesh means the same to me.
JD wrote:
> Regarding Adam and Eve - if they did not have a
> "sinful nature" before their decision to disobey the
> Lord, they would have never disobeyed Him !!
What is your basis for this assumption, John?
My answer to this question is found in my statement above.
> Regarding Adam and Eve - if they did not have a
> "sinful nature" before their decision to disobey the
> Lord, they would have never disobeyed Him !!
What is your basis for this assumption, John?
My answer to this question is found in my statement above.
DM writes: It was the defiling nature of sin, and the selfish
nature of a genetic evolutionary force, which has produced the sin nature
that we observe in man today.
nature of a genetic evolutionary force, which has produced the sin nature
that we observe in man today.
Speculation will get you nowhere, David. Sin does not have a defiling nature outside a continued involvement with our personal lusts.
Yu define an evolutionary force in terms of a selfish nature ?? And what in the world is a genetic evolutionary force when it comes to sin.? AND how can we resist a selfish nature that is a product of a genetic evolutionary force?
James, as I read him, believed that sin had no force apart from the desires of man and is conceived of our desires.
jd
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> JD wrote:
> > Regarding Adam and Eve - if they did not have a
> > "sinful nature" before their decision to disobey the
> > Lord, they would have never disobeyed Him !!
>
> What is your basis for this assumption, John?
>
> Consider the following passage:
>
> Ezekiel 28:15
> (15) Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till
> iniquity was found in thee.
>
> Do you think the angels that sinned also were created with a sin nature?
>
> >From my perspective, Adam & Eve did NOT have a sinful nature as part of
> their constituency. It was the defiling nature of sin, and the selfish
> nature of a genetic evolutionary force, which has produced the sin nature
> that we observe in man today.
>
> David Miller.
>
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> JD wrote:
> > Regarding Adam and Eve - if they did not have a
> > "sinful nature" before their decision to disobey the
> > Lord, they would have never disobeyed Him !!
>
> What is your basis for this assumption, John?
>
> Consider the following passage:
>
> Ezekiel 28:15
> (15) Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till
> iniquity was found in thee.
>
> Do you think the angels that sinned also were created with a sin nature?
>
> >From my perspective, Adam & Eve did NOT have a sinful nature as part of
> their constituency. It was the defiling nature of sin, and the selfish
> nature of a genetic evolutionary force, which has produced the sin nature
> that we observe in man today.
>
> David Miller.
>
> ----------
> "L et your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how
> you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
>
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