cd: You have made a good point and I accept that point-but due to the direction I have seem this debate go understand why I push for more detailed explanation of the statements that are made. The weakness could have been view as the heathen are weak. Thanks
> [Original Message] > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 2/2/2006 11:34:45 AM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? > > cd wrote: > >>> If it [flesh] was weak show me one biblical > >>> account where it was weak-and we will > >>> discuss that > > David Miller wrote: > > Here are two: > > > > Matthew 4:2-3 > > (2) And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward > an > > hungred. > > (3) And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, > > command that these stones be made bread. > ------------------------------------------- > cd: Fasting and prayer does not make one weak David-Christ put the flesh > into subjection by fasting it made Him strong not weak. > ------------------------------------------ > > You just said, "put the flesh into subjection." That word "subjection" > means he kept it down. Yes, that made him strong, but you are not > recognizing that his FLESH was weak, which is why he had to put it under > subjection. He was fasting, but his FLESH said HUNGRY, EAT. > > David Miller wrote: > > Luke 22:42-46 > > (42) Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: > > nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. > > (43) And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. > > (44) And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as > it > > were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. > > (45) And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he > > found them sleeping for sorrow, > > (46) And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into > > temptation. > ---------------------------------------- > cd: I see no weakness here-Who in their right mind wouldn't ask God if > there wasn't another way if they foreknew this manner of death was > coming-proves He wasn't insane David.. He stated" never less let thy will > be done". A weak man doesn't pray till blood falls as sweat mostly for > us-only the strong can do this. > --------------------------------------- > > Again, I am not saying that JESUS was weak. I'm saying that his FLESH was > weak. Remember that I have a dualistic view of man. Man has a spirit that > serves God, but a flesh that serves the law of sin and death. > > The flesh of Jesus worked toward self preservation here. This is why he was > struggling, praying. He was resisting the flesh which was weak and left to > its own would never have allowed Jesus to subject himself to the death of > the cross. The flesh was being put to death finally, once and for all, in > the crucifixion. The flesh was screaming out, NO, NO, NO, save yourself. > > Please note that the Bible says that in the garden, an angel appeared unto > him, strengthening him. The idea that he needed to be strengthened suggests > a weakness existed. That weakness was in his flesh. Note that in his > temptation in the desert, the same thing happened. Angels came and > ministered to him, strengthening him. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
