John, don't lift verses out of context to try and prove that those in Christ always keep sinning. Also, you must recognize the wide range of meanings that the word sin has. Sometimes sin refers to an action. Sometimes sin refers to a condition.
Consider carefully verse 7 & 8 in the full text below: 1 John 1:5-10 (5) This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. (6) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: (7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 2:1-6 (1) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (5) But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (6) He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. Clearly, the passage speaks about how there is no darkness in God; therefore, if we say we have fellowship with him and we at the same time walk in darkness... impossible... we lie. But if we walk in the light AS HE IS IN THE LIGHT (walk as Jesus Christ himself walked... without sinning), we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin (not SINS, but SIN, the condition in which we find ourselves). If we say we have no sin... in other words, if we claim that we do not need the blood of Christ to cleanse us from the filth and sin that we have collected in this world, we lie. It is through confession of our sins that we acknowledge our need for a Savior, and he is faithful not only to forgive us, but also to CLEANSE us from ALL unrighteousness. If we have been cleansed of our sin by blood of Christ, who are we to try and claim that we still will continue to sin? The power of the blood of Christ is at work in us, continually cleansing us, and keeping us in Christ. If we then try to pretend that we have not sinned (past tense), we make him a liar and his word is not in us. Apostle John writes this entire letter that we SIN NOT. ** IF ** any man sin, we have an advocate. Hereby we do know that we know him, ** IF ** we keep his commandments. If anybody says that he knows him and keeps not his commandments, he is a liar. In other words, if anyone claims to know him yet continues to sin, he is a liar. The truth is not in him. In contrast, whosoever keeps his word, in him the love of God is perfected. Anybody who says he abides in him, he should walk even as Jesus walked in regards to righteousness and holy living. Holy living has EVERYTHING to do with faith in Jesus Christ. Anybody who is not walking in holiness does not know the Lord Jesus Christ. Such a person only pays lip service and has vain religion. In summary, we need the continual application of the blood of Christ in our lives. We need his spirit to flow through us like a river, a constant source. It continually cleanses us spiritually the way the blood cleanses the tissues of unwanted waste products. This does not mean that we will continue to sin. It means that until the resurrection, we have infirmed bodies with a sin nature that must continually be under the blood. We can walk in holiness the same way that Jesus did, for we have received his same spirit, and just as he overcame his body, so we can overcome the nature of our body. David Miller. ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd) This time it is John, not Lance, Dean. And verse 8 is in the PRESENT TENSE, not the past. "If you say YOU ARE HAVING not sin, you are a liar. " And in very 7, the blood of Christ "keeps on cleansing." Present time or past? And the Heberw writer speaks of the sacrifice FOR SIN to be "once and for all time." .................................. not just past time. Go refigure. jd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: [email protected];[email protected] Sent: 2/7/2006 8:18:16 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd) And he says he has no sin is a liar ----- I John 1:8 cd: Lance read the rest of it. It is speaking of why one needs salvation (all have sinned)and in verse 10-it clearly shows the sins to be past tense" If we say we have not sinned..." 1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. cd: Now add that to: 1Jo 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. cd: And add that to: 1Jo 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. cd: Now add that to: Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. cd: This is how one should interprete the Bible Lance to form a clear picture.A clear line of support that can continue on to more verses-then the other passages come into view with clarity-not taken out of context and stand alone without support. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Muir To: [email protected] Sent: 2/7/2006 6:48:49 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd) "words Christ spoke", "words Bible says" = TRUTH ?? ACTUALLY Dean, it is the interpretation that you've drawn from both. This is pretty much hermeneutics 101. cd: If that is to be true-then the words of the Bible have no meaning-due to interpretation.Yet this gospel has the ability to convey meaning without help from any outside sourse.Lance I will add nothing to the words below-Do they have meaning on their own without any interpretational help?? 1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Moore To: [email protected] Sent: February 06, 2006 16:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: [email protected];[email protected] Sent: 2/6/2006 12:25:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd) You have done two things with this post. First, you have made it clear that we are no longer discussing anything -- accusing those who do not agree with you as calling Christ a liar ----------------- a lie in and of itself!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ cd: John -All I am trying to do is make you think. It is not me you are disagreeing with it is the words Christ spoke. Christ /Bible says one thing you say the opposite-both cannot be correct.To state something other than what is written is to oppose what is written-see beolw. You state no one can lose his salvation-the bible says otherwise-someone is not speaking truth -think about it. ------------------------------------------------------ Secondly, because of your predilection to works and your view of the gospel, you feel absolutely no need to square your claims with any number of seemingly opposing scripture. It makes no difference to legalists that they have no message of hope in the offing for those who continue to be addicted to one sin or another. I am not interested in a hopeless gospel. ------------------------------------------------------- cd: Well then we will see, in time,if it is hopeless gospeland as you are not interested I retire sir. --------------------------------------- jd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: [email protected];[email protected] Sent: 2/6/2006 12:23:52 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd) Yes. One can't detract from our salvation and the Other won't !! cd: The why did God say such wrong statements? He said He would 'detract"-Why would Jesus lie me? I need to ask him; " Jesus why did you lie to me and say the things of Rev. 3 and Matt. 25-John , Gary,Bill and Lance told me you were lying".That will be included in my prayer tonight. Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life Mat 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strewed: Mat 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I & amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; lt; /FONT>should have received mine own with usury. Mat 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. Mat 25:29 For unto everyone that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. -------------- Original message -------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] isn't it interesting, such fellowship's both human & divine? On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:10:25 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Never thought of it from that angle. An absolutely excellent point. -------------- Original message -------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..foundational to our eternal security On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:12:12 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: fellowship, in Christ, is already eternal, a key doctrinal essential On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:50:51 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Huh. Apparently I wrote that damn "open letter to Dean" a few hours too soon. || ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
