Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:32:37 -0800

 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

Every single item on the list is an argued belief from either you or Judy Taylor. 
You don't like it because when it is all put together, it is rather embarrassing. 
The "cult" thingy is written all ofver this type of [listed] thinking. 
 
You can counter with a list of weird beliefs of any of us on the left.   Let's see  -- maybe I can help. 
 
Jd and friends actually believe this drivel: 
cd: In blue below.
 
1.  Adam and Eve were created from the dust of the earth.
   Wrong-Eve wasn't from the dust -she was a transformed rib.
 
2.  Christ is the eternal Son of God. 
Then who is the Lord Almighty in Rev1:8? I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
 
3.  Christ Incarnate was God on earth.
O.K.
 
4.  God the Father did not have sexual relations with Mary.
O.K.
 
5.  Jesus came in the same flesh as all of mankind and was like us IN EVERY
     RESPECT.
cd: Jesus wasn't a common man as He did not sin. We were brought up to his spiritual stat but remain only men, but not common sinning men.
 
6.  The Old Covenant has been made obsolete. 
Then why did Jesus quote the Torah many times? And why are they our examples in  2 Peter 2 and:
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
 
 
7.   God is not a sexual being.  "Father"  is a function of God, an aspect of His
      self-revealing economy. 
 
cd:Wrong, One can be masculine and not be sexual. 
 
8.   We learn of the mind of God through the spirit-led process of maturity.
 
cd: Only if you adhere to the word of God -you do not.
 
Pretty weird, huh ?!!! 
cd: Tell me about it. You understanding is not complete John.
 
 
 
 
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From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bible Study Fellowship. Judy attends. (I think David's family attends also.) 
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From: Dean Moore
Sent: February 14, 2006 17:53
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

cd: I am not sure where you got this twisted version of our statements that have been taken out of context- but you are incorrect.By the way who is the BSF?
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

Let's talk "cult," shall we?   I am taking this list to the local BSF.  Wonder what they will say !!   It will describe a person I am dealing with  who believes the following: 
 
1.  Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being changed afterwards. 
 
2.  Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God.
 
3.  Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years.
 
4.  Christ was not the physical descendent of David -  only in some spiritual sense.
 
5.  Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry. 
 
6.  The "Trinity" is false doctrine. 
 
7.  God is male and has a penis. 
 
8.  God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books are not necessary.  Because of this "illumination,"  the understanding of acripture can be "received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong.   Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible and what it means to say.    And those who disagree with this are false teachers and need to be opposed.
 
9.  The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey.
 
 
I would add to this list  --  but I am sure this will be sufficent . 
Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of  "cult!!"   but nice try.  And what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree? 
 
By the way  -  you are the one who has set the tone for this response.   This is the fruit of your ministry.   Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly.   
 
jd
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
.Amen Dean,
JD I figure you were thinking of Proverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of
counsellors there is safety"  However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or
the Biblical text as you call it.  They all say the same thing by the same Spirit and this is the counsel in which
we find safety.  Groupthink??  Anathema!!
 
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to live by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like preaching such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost in the power of the mass.
 
JD writes:

In the biblical concept of the church

I see an avenue for  continuing revelation, and if not revelation,  certainly interpretation or understanding.   If you will, it is in the counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded and/or confirmed.     How important, it is, then,  that the church continue to meet in forums such as this  --  whether virtual or physical.   A community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is out of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts is borne.  

 

jd  

 

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