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1. The 'way you see it' Judy, is
false.
2. Insofar as one can 'know who is accepted', I
count Calvin and Luther among that number. It'd appear that DM does
also.
3. I don't 'defend' the RCC, Judy. God's Spirit is
present with the believers among them as He is with the believers in DM's
gathering, Dean's gathering and, your gathering therefore, you ought to take it
up with the Lord and, not me.
4. I don't claim that 'noone is able to comprehend
the oracles of God'. Rather, Judy, I suggerst that noone comprehends
exhaustively. These are not the same.
5. I hold scripture in the highest regard. I just
don't hold in high regard is misuse. Who would?
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Sent: February 27, 2006 08:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth or the
Opinions of Men
The way I see it Lance, you and those you follow have
been making your own saints. How do you know who is
accepted and who is rejected before Jesus actually
separates the sheep from the goats? Neither Luther nor
Calvin are saints according to the RCC (which you
also defend). The way God tells us we can recognize someone
who represents God is that he not only is able to
separate the precious from the vile; he also speaks the oracles
of God which you claim noone is able to
comprehend so I guess you and God part company on this issue
which
is one of many. I have not ever noted you
holding scripture in great regard; you seldom if ever quote any of it so
I
am left wondering about the basis of your discernment
and how you would know what is "truly truthful"
'Personalizing'? You may wish to employ another
term in order to make your point, Judy. As there is an element of the author
even in scripture so there is an element of one's self in everything one
writes/speaks. Both you and Dean have, IMO, taken to slandering many of the
great saints of church history. Neither of you sees it that way. OK. I attempt to discern, from the posts of each on TT, that
which is simply an opinion, even when 'supported' with scripture, and that
which is truly truthful. We all do that. It's just that a contingent
exists on TT that sees itself as having been promised something more
than that. That's not OK.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: February 27, 2006 08:04
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth or the
Opinions of Men
For me Lance, exactly means exactly and truth
means truth; no yours or mine about it.
Personalizing everything as you do leads to gross
deception.
May 'exactly' and your 'exactly' may not
convey the same meaning, Judy. This is, after all, what TT is about, is
it not? My 'exactly' is, of course, God's 'exactly'. Once that is
understood we can move on.
Has Canada had a tsnuami? Is this a new
Lance or what?
Exactly!
Walking in as much light as one has been
given so far is not the same as what you have been
promoting
Nor is it saying that ppl who have chosen
darkness are walking in light. It has to be one or the other
because there is no concord between
Christ and Belial.
Exactly!
I was in too much of a hurry; I meant
to say I do disagree Lance because as I see it some choose to
walk
in darkness; while others embrace the
light and as scripture says "the path of the righteous is like
the
light of dawn it shines brighter till
the full day". It is possible to be walking in all the
light one has and
ATST not be in error. Noone
alive today has the whole loaf.
You said 'No I don't disagree,
Lance'. Therefore some of that which you believe say is
error. Correct?
This is, IMO, being made
unnecessarily complex.
No Lance I don't because the
condemnation is that some prefer darkness to light and
refuse to come.
I believe some walk in
complete and total darkness and there is little or no fear
of God in the land, yours
or mine.
THERE IS OBJECTIVE TRUTH!!
You, Judy, see some of it. Everybody on the planet sees
some of it. Nobody, including you, has all of it. Do you
disagree?
You speak as though there
were no "objective Truth" Lance and to me it appears
as though this is where
you live. Not so for me
and others. We may be the minority but then just
because your opinion a majority or
ecumenical one; this
is hardly a
recommendation - is it??
I disagree. DH has
chosen The Mormon religion. To insult his religion
is akin to the "cartoon incident' re: the Muslims.
If John Lennon were to
have been my brother then, I'd most assuredly
receive that as an personal insult.
cd: Maybe to John Calvin but not
towards you-see the difference?If the truth
insults then that person needs to change not the
truth. If I were to say that John Lennon was a
pig-that is acceptable as I am not making a
personal attack on you.But if I were to insult you
by calling you names then I have personally
attacked you and would be in error to do so Lance.
If I were to say to DavH : Mormons are stupid I
have not attacked DavH but rather my attack was on
the teaching of Mormonism. In short-express your
self but don't let it get
personal.
IFO took your, and
Judy's, evaluation of John Calvin to be nothing
short of an insult. However, should you 'rule'
on this matter thus eliminating your/my
assessment to be off limits then, we would have
no ongoing dialogue.
By the way, wasn't
there some kind of mystery 'rule' about not
responding to posts with the above subject
heading?
No-there isn't any "new
rule". This is the same rule Perry enforced. If
I make the call that someone has broken the Ad.
Hom. rule- that protects others from verbal
assaults- then reply to that in private. If I
did not enforce this then the issue of that
person wrongs will become part of the debate and
become unsolvable as others got involved.-this
is for you protection as well as others. The
non-enforcing of some past Moderators has lead
to many good minds leaving this site.If these
attacks continue Lance it will only be a couple
of people here and how long can two /three
people carry on the same
conversation?
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February 26, 2006 07:10
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2/26/2006 4:13:42 AM
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You spoke my
question "G"?????????
Moderator-This
simply means that the rules against insults and
personal attacks are going to be unforced by
me-others are under my protection and will get
fair treatment-I owe that to God not to those
who will not keep their agreement and abide by
the rules.
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Sent:
February 25, 2006 18:07
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ftr, what does this
mean?
I plan on enforcing the rules of protection
on TT against those who love
ch[ao]s
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