Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?

[Dave]

with whoever will listen DAVEH:   LOL........Do you suppose anybody is really listening, Bishop!    :-) How long have you known Deegan and Moore DAVEH:   I joined TT less than a year after DavidM founded it.  I think it was a year or two later that Carroll joined, but I could be off on that.  Kevin came in a bit later, as I remember. how much closer to converting are you now  --  after hearing them "preach" for low these many years DAVEH:   I think I am right on the edge.....   ;-)     Seriously John, I made the statement when I came in to TT that I was LDS and did not join TT with the intention to be persuaded to leave Mormonism.  I wanted everybody to know up front that not hear to play that game with them--that I'm interested in pursuing another religion.  I have made my position clear several times, but despite doing so some TTers feel compelled to try to convert me away from Mormonism anyway.  Apparently some have gotten their noses bent out of shape when they find out that I do not want to subscribe to their theory that LDS theology is wrong.  I think DavidM understood me loud and clear after our initial discussions.   Others are not nearly so perceptive, and seem to get frustrated that their illogical tactics fail to persuade me to change.     What some have said is that they pray for me.  I am sincere in telling you I do appreciate that, as I am sure they pray for my eternal welfare, and I do not take that lightly.  Contrary to what I'm sure they expect, I do believe that (the answer to) their prayers are one reason I feel no compulsion to change.  In fact, I believe their prayers have been answered to the contrary.   Despite there being many unflattering things posted about LDS theology and myself, I remain quite comfortable in my LDS rooted beliefs of Jesus and his Father in Heaven.  While this may rankle some, I feel that I should attribute that at least in part to the prayers of some TTers!  So....if you've prayed for me....I sincerely THANK YOU.  It reinforces my belief in the power of prayer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DH  -- it's time we stop meeting this way.  You over there with your dialogue with Kevin and me with whoever will listen.   two old farts fighting nappy time  !!    How long have you known Deegan and Moore and how much closer to convertin are you now  --  after hearing them "preach" for low these many years?    jd   -------------- Original message -------------- From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do you see Jesus & Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? DAVEH:  Some time ago, it was me (LDS in general) being accused by TTers of changing definitions to suit our (LDS) needs.  Now it seems you want to do the same thing, Kevin.  If you don't want to use the conventional dictionary definition of Christian, then it seems prudent to give us (TTers) your own definition....please. Kevin Deegan wrote: Do you see Jesus & Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian? Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is truly a Christian! 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus  Christ 2) He truly believes the one he is following was sent by God 3) He follows his teachings and example But in reality he is a hell bound sinner. Help me contextualize, this apparent contradiction David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Judy wrote: > What reason would anyone on TT have > to assume that a lifelong Mormon is also > a Christian? Following is how my dictionary defines a Christian: Chris·tian noun (plural Chris·tians) 1. believer in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus Christ was sent to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to follow his teachings and example If we accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who believes in the teachings of a particular religious faith, then from my perspective , Mormonism falls into this category of Christian. This does not mean that they have the right belief system, or that any of them will be saved. It simply places them in the Christian category, as a religious sect that is centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior sent by God to save  humanity. There are false sects within Christianity, and I think the Mormon  sects are among them. David Miller. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.