Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Judy Taylor Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:28:32 -0800

All these so called paradigms need to be put to bed

Without the Spirit of God there is nothing happening but dead religion and who needs that

One of you is enough JD. God's Spirit anoints or empowers His Words only; your life may

make one curious for any number of reasons - but without Him you can do nothing. Oh! you

can influence your children but that is our responsibility as parents anyway

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:18:47 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Three kinds of evangelism present on this list.

1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelism............Kevin , Dean, David (often but not always)

2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.

3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)

We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. .... you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday.

From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they

do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it

There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has

the responsibility to search it out for themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless.

From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Scary to the max.

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Of course. But that is not really the issue.

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From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see.???? izzy

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It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't.

jd

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From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true
> you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of
> us aren't following your logic? iz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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> IZ:No, I would not.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ShieldsFamily"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM>> To:
> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
> ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
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>
> & gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
> >
> > It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.
> >
> > .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ShieldsFamily"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To:
> > Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
> > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
> >
> >
> >> That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,
> >> you
> >> would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> >> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
> >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
> >>
> >> David you are like so right, man! familiarity....contempt...were those
> >> the
> >> words? Probably got it comin'.
> >>
> >> Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.
> >> creationism)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Me s sage -----
> >> From: "ShieldsFamily"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> To:
> >> Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
> >> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
> >>
> >>
> >>> So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's
> >>> left.
> >>> Pathetic IMO. izzy
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> >>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
> >>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
> >>>
> >>> Still no.
> >>>
> >>>
> >&g t; > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "ShieldsFamily"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
&g t; >>> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?
> >>>> JD?
> >>>> izzy
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
> >>>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
> >>>>
& gt; >>>> David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it
> >>>> then,
> >>>> I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools
> >>>> either.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "David Miller"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>>> To:
> >>>> Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
> >>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The CNN report: Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,
> >>>>> Williams
> >>>>> said: "I don't think it should, actually. No, no."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So how have I mi sch aracterized him?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David Miller
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Lance Muir"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>>>> To:
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position.
> >>>>> DOUBLE
> >>>>> YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly trapped,
> >>>>> David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you
> >>>>> believe,
> >>>>> Sc ript ure). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've done to
> >>>>> you
> >>>>> and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple
> >>>>> yikes)
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "David Miller"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>>>> To:
> >>>>> Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Lance wrote:
> >&g t;>>>>> If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then
> >>>>>>> you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane ought
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>> separate. I am not sectarian within the group of those who have
> >>>>>> submitted
> >>>>>> unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lance wrote:
> >>>>>>> He is a brother in Christ who believes
> >>>>>>> differently than you on some matters.
> >>>>>>> Now, if that makes him what you say
> >>>>>>> then, that makes you what I say.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He is not a liberal loony for be lieving differently from me. The
> >>>>>> moniker
> >>>>>> was offered because of his statement about how acknowledgement of our
> >>>>>> Creator did not belong in schools. He made an irrational statem ent,
> >>>>>> assuming that CNN reported him accurately. If he is a brother in
> >>>>>> Christ,
> >>>>>> then I expect to hear a retraction or clarification made soon as
> >>>>>> other
> >>>>>> believers correct him. If he is not a brother in Christ, then he
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>> continue to support the working of iniquity that seeks to remove the
> >>>>>> acknowledgment of God our Creator from the schools. What he said was
> >>>>>> very
> >>>>>> damaging to our society, to believers who want to acknowledge God the
> >>>>>> Creator in their study of origins. To think that science and the
> >>>>>> acknowledgement of God are incompatible is expected from scientists
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>> no t
> >>>>>> from theologians, and certainly not from the Right Reverend Doctor
> >>>>>> Rowland
> >>>>>> Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> David Miller
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