But if it's not expected to have any effect on IETF outputs, why bother 
presenting it at TSVAREA to the IETF?

Oh wait, QUIC isn't in an internet-draft, so it won't have any effect on IETF 
outputs.

We don't need IPR disclosures. We're good.

Lloyd Wood
http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/dtn/http-dtn

has previously presented to TSVAREA to zero effect.

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From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott 
Brim [[email protected]]
Sent: 08 July 2013 13:37
To: Spencer Dawkins; ietfdbh
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Draft agenda for the IETF-87 TSV Area meeting uploaded

On 07/07/13 23:39, "Spencer Dawkins" <[email protected]>
allegedly wrote:

>The notes I've read in this thread have been very helpful to me. Thank
>you for sharing.
>
>At this point, the only thing I'm obsessing about is that we get decent
>IPR declarations when IPR exists. Our BCPs define a contribution broadly
>enough to include presentations. The *IRTF* now has an IPR policy that's
>roughly equivalent to the IETF's policy; if people can't talk about
>research without disclosing, we should have the same stance for
>presentations on engineering topics.

Spencer, we don't need IPR disclosures if a contribution is not expected
to affect IETF outputs.  "Participants who realize that the IPR will be or
has been incorporated into a submission to be published in an Internet
Draft, or is seriously being discussed in a working group, are strongly
encouraged to make at least a preliminary disclosure."

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