Scott Eade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi,
I'm a bit late to the show but I hope that I have caught up with the various messages sent here. [ For those of you who do not follow the Velocity lists: I helped moving Velocity out of Jakarta and into TLP status and was the last one on the tree when it came to calling for a PMC chair, so I am currently serving in that function. ] First things first: No worries! Becoming a TLP is an easy thing, as long as there are enough developers devoted to keeping the project running. That is the most important thing. The TLP normally puts next to no overhead onto the project, except that once per quarter, a board report has to be written and sent to the ASF board. Normally this report can be prepared on the Wiki and is no big deal. Becoming a TLP means that the project forms its own Project Management committee (PMC). This means a few things legal-wise, because the PMC and the PMC chair are actually responsible for all software released by the project. There is a longer explanation about the responsibilities of the PMC at http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc Especially this means that a project like Turbine can no longer hide below the (pretty large and somewhat paralyzed) Jakarta PMC. On our own, we report directly to the board and one of the board members will watch the progress of the project closer (currently mainly the Jakarta chair and a few interested PMC members are watching. Hello Martin!). What is needed to form a PMC is a number of people willing to provide oversight. A few of them should be ASF members but not all need to. Not all need to be active Turbine committers; some familiarity with the code is appreciated but not required. All PMC members must be committers, though. Oversight is more important. The PMC is a legal/organisatorial thing, not a code controlling tool. Off my head, I can think of * seade * sgoeschl * tv * hoffmann * wglass, * henning * brekke which are four active and three somewhat 'alumni' committers. This is more than Velocity had at inception and it should work fine. Will, Scott and I are members, so that should be no problem, too. (Actively serving on a PMC also is a step towards membership BTW, see http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles :-) ) (Yes, that means that I would be willing to serve on the PMC for oversight. However, my current day job does not allow me to participate in more than one project as a developer, so my programming time is currently geared towards Velocity. Sorry 'bout that). Next thing would be to steal^Wcreate a TLP proposal. There are a number of proposal examples in the board minutes. Adapting one to Turbine is not a hard thing. The proposal should contain a list of people serving on the PMC and a PMC chair. I would like to propose Scott for PMC chair, BTW (he is the intersection between the committer and members, which makes him the logical candidate). Once the proposal passes the board, there is at first some infrastructure work to do: Moving the web site, changing links and mailing list addresses etc. (to get some idea, look at http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELOCITY-470). This mainly needs constant prodding of infra to get things done. Not a hard thing, but it is important to be persistent. Also, in the first three months, montly reports are expected by the board, so this is the time where the new PMC shows that it works. >Let's discuss this here before I go to the trouble of putting a proposal >together. I'm very +1 on leaving Jakarta before the ship sinks. With the current commons TLP proposal, the holes became bigger. I know that Juergen and Thomas will be at ApacheCon EU; we can team up there and maybe set up an IRC channel for further discussion and collaboration on getting the TLP off the ground. Will and I surely can provide guidance as we already went through the process once with Velocity. So let's do it. Best regards Henning -- Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | J2EE, Linux, |gls 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache person |eau Open Source Consulting, Development, Design | Velocity - Turbine guy |rwc |m k INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH - RG Fuerth, HRB 7350 |a s Sitz der Gesellschaft: Buckenhof. Geschaeftsfuehrer: Henning Schmiedehausen |n "Save the cheerleader. Save the world." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
