> Or why the plugin language changed at least once (or twice? DVSL ->
> Jelly I do remember. Wasn't there some ant involved, too? :-) )
See, this is the 'ill-informed' of which I speak.
Before beta-5, maven was purely a set of ant tasks and idioms.
Starting with beta-5, maven became standalone, and use Jelly
for the plugins.
The DVSL change was merely a change in the implementation of
a particular plugin. I don't see change as necessarily bad
if it help evolve the code into something better.
> While I don't like committees, I've learned that having some plan
> where one wants to end, really helps deciding where to go (The
> Odysseus approach to project management).
All plans are typically just wrong, though, when dealing with
software. How many projects have kept to the plan and still
devliered what the customer wants?
> You wrote: "Jason has won a user base". This is at least partly not
> true.
Sure, this is a shades-of-grey opinion statement. Right. <sarcasm/>
Maven has users. Maven has users who have willfully chosen to use it.
> I would still happily use ant to build Turbine if the Turbine
> build process wouldn't have been forcefully converted to some maven
> version, then the ant build being broken and then finally removed. I
> don't feel being won. I still feel being at least half-assimilated
Then join the project if you're not already a commit to Turbine, and
commit to maintaining an ant-based build. Nothing prevents you from
doing that. But, the core developers seem to have chosen maven for
their build-system. Just as core developers make lots of choices
every day. Do you feel offended that maven uses jelly, commons-collections
and other things that you are 'forced' to use, creating an artificial
user-base for those components?
> (The Microsof^wBorg approach to software development) about "having
> been converted to see the light".
Okay, I'm tired of this. Use it. Don't use it. I personally don't care.
-bob
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