> I'd like to do that refactoring in v4, assuming it happens (OJB lurks
> ever present), and so I'm thinking this TorqueRuntimeException will be
> something we can easily implement in v4 and with clean slate.

I've seen several mentions of OJB in the context of possible replacement/
successor to torque. I would like to stick my nose in here and make the 
statement that this should not be so - in my view, the products have
different, though related, goals, or at least they could.

In the view of the project for which we are planning/considering torque
OJB and related tools such as Castor, JDO, etc, are aimed at persisting
java objects to databases. Our use, and one that torque fits much better
than OJB style tools, is to give Java programs access to database data
that preexists the program. In other words, torque becomes a way to 
"javaize" a database.

Our way of looking at this was that OJB style tools were for persisting 
java objects, in projects built from the java/application side down. Torque
really shines when you are working from the database out, and need to
objectize
an existing database.

In short, I hope that v4 and beyond will continue, as there will be
java projects based on existing databases for years (possibly decades) 
to come.

ok, back off of my soapbox now....

Russell Smyth

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