Hi

Thinking of clarifying this point: Turbine actually can be use
without the activation of its database features.

I have built my website (http://www.webappcabaret.com/mallim)
based on Turbine/Velocity/DOM4J as a way
to integrate my blogging which are in the form of XML files.

In this case, a couple of pull tools and several services ( pull, logging,
velocity, FSD etc ),
plays a huge part at the whole website. Well, you can say that
this is an unorthodox usage of Turbine. But it still demonstrates that
Turbine could be use without database persistence.

BTW, do I need to have any permission to copy and paste some of the comments
from this mailling list to my blog? It serves as my reference and perhaps
can be helpful to
some other people who is looking into subjects like XP, AgileModelling,
JUnit Turbine and Castor.

Regards
Ian Lim
http://www.webappcabaret.com/mallim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Raw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Turbine Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 10:22 PM
Subject: Turbine and application servers


> Hi,
>
> I have been investigating the differences between Turbine and Struts over
> the past few days, with the view to finding a good servlet framework that
> can be used with the JBoss application server. It seems to me that you
> cannot use Turbine without a database, as it is essential for such tasks
as
> security and session tracking.
>
> This means that for each new server installation the turbine tables will
> need to be recreated, which is not as simple a process as with JBoss's
> hot-deploy container management. Also, I understand that Turbine was first
> released in a non-J2EE world, but if one is already doing database
> manipulation with JBoss it seems inefficient to use Turbine Security over
> JBossSX. Please note that I am not flaming Turbine in any way, it seems a
> great end-to-end web application solution, but the advantages of EJB's
with
> regard to robustness and scalability makes me lean to encapsulating all
> database work within their confines. If Velocity was integrated into
Struts
> in some way, it would seem an ideal solution.
>
> If I am incorrect in my findings above or have missed anything, please let
> me know. What framework do you find best in the application server
context?
>
>
> Regards,
> Craig Raw
>
>
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