Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >consider you a foe, I essentially consider you a bad thing that has >happened to Turbine.
Care to elaborate? What exactly do you consider "bad"? That I work on a code base that you consider dead? That people like Martin Poeschl got a Turbine 2.2 release done instead of simply telling people "Hey, we moved on to something completely new, either you follow us or you must live with the broken Turbine 2.1 / 2.2-dev code". Why do you say 12:10:15 PM <jason> i honestly thing that's great that you're working with 2.x, users need it." (http://irc.werken.com/channels/turbine/3-13-03.txt) if you actually think that I'm "essentially a bad thing that happened to Turbine"? That the remaining developers try to clean up the confusion around Turbine, Version 2.x, T3, Fulcrum and all this stuff and want users to actually be able to follow the direction we want to go? Is this in your opinion a bad thing? That we might move in baby steps, care about the deprecation rules that you yourself helped setting up, try to have stable releases before doing something new? Do you consider this "bad"? That at least some developers try to restore confidence into the Turbine code base; that it will have a future as "Turbine" instead of creating half a dozen subprojects with cool names which never had any official releases and then got abandoned over night (JCS, Fulcrum, Stratum) or folded at some point into another apache project. Do you _honestly_ think that this was "a good thing" to happen to Turbine? That you gave up at one point, pulled your code out of the Jakarta CVS, because (at least that's what my memory tells me, sorry if I'm wrong here) you prefer working on this off-jakarta. Why didn't you try to communicate with the developers who are not present @ irc but preferred to move out? I simply don't understand you. Maybe it's my lack of language command. Maybe I don't really understand your motivations or you have some motives that you don't want to reveal yet, which drive you to do what you do. Sorry, I'm lost here. I wish you all the best with Plexus/Summit and if you really crush the current Turbine development under your foot, I hope you will get satisfaction out of it and if all the Turbine users come crawling to the great unified web application solution, great. But please, until then, let the remaining Turbine developers work on what _they_ consider useful and if you feel not being involved in discussions about the Turbine code base, maybe its because you're (your words) no longer a committer in the true sense of the word. I (and I think every other Turbine developer but I can't really speak for them) do welcome you, your opinions and ideas on the -dev list. But you might understand, even if you don't like it, that we might move at a slower pace or even with other ideas than you do. And because the developers don't use irc.werken.com to discuss, this doesn't mean that there is no discussion at all. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
