jon * wrote:
>
> on 3/31/00 6:14 PM, Kevin A. Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > -1. Why not use ECS? I don't like the fact that Webmacro is required.
> > Lets eat our own Dogfood here and use Cocoon(XSP) or ECS.
> >
>
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I should have probably officially just done a -0. Wasn't that strong
but hadn't had my morning coffee yet.
> Because Webmacro allows you to more separate the UI from the layout. it is
> an alternative to people who don't want to use Cocoon quite yet (including
> myself)...
I don't like the way we aren't using cocoon for this. We have an
official Apache project dedicated to separating the UI from the layout.
+1024 for MVC design and separating the API/logic from the
presentation. But lets use our own tools. IMO Webmacro is a dead end
technology. XML is the future. If you aren't using it you are
seriously limiting your potential.
I could see the justification for not using Cocoon because of its
weight. Because it brings into the picture a situation that makes
Turbine administration top heavy and that adding Cocoon to Turbine just
for GUI administration would be bad. So great. This why the term "eat
your own dogfood" got started. If Cocoon won't do it now then lets fix
it.
Jetspeed is going down this road. There are currently some impl points
that Cocoon falls down on. So that is what the point of OSS is that you
fix them.
One of the things I was thinking about was an XHTML -> ECS XSLT
stylesheet. So that you write up your UI in XHTML and then it will
write out ECS for you. The html2ecs (or whatever is called) is
currently now recommended but if you did it in XHTML it wouldn't have
any problems and would be within the "correct" and strict domain of
XML. The Admin console for Jetspeed is this way sort of. Currently you
can dock in any Portlet. Right now they are just basic ECS portlets but
this isn't necessary. You could do a Cocoon Portlet too.
I wanted to see if this model could be integrated into Turbine. The
problem is that it relies on Portlets so ... yeah. Regardless I want to
see both paths merge some day.
Kevin
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