Dave Bryson wrote:
>
> "Kevin A. Burton" wrote:
> >
> > I don't like the way we aren't using cocoon for this. We have an
> > official Apache project dedicated to separating the UI from the layout.
>
> When it comes to putting the UI together quickly, I think the majority of
> folks are (currently) more productive using HTML as opposed to XML. Look at the
> tools
> most presentation folks are using - HTML tools - not XML editors. Why over
> complicate
> things.
This isn't an issue at all. Let your UI people write their HTML. Then
you spend 2 minutes writing a XSLT stylesheet for it and you are done.
> Don't get me wrong, I'm a big XML fan and XSL is extremely powerful once you
> understand it.
> The problem is there's still a large knowledge gap and most folks are lazy -
> they'll go with
> what the know.
>
> > IMO Webmacro is a dead end
> > technology.
>
> Yea, maybe in 5-10 years when HTML is completely dead and JetSpeed is pushing
> all
> it's content to a Handheld.
I never said HTML was dead. Just that webmacro was dead. IMO it is
inferior to XML publishing by a long shot. I might as well starting
using JSP.
- it isn't XML
- no validation
- no XSLT without a kludge
- still encourages logic within your page (this won't go away for a
while though).
The point is I think that if people want to use it go ahead. It should
be incorporated into Cocoon just like JSP/Cocoon should. But we should
also eat our own dogfood. We can find a decent work around without
having to target webmacro.
> In the meantime, I think there's still a lot of room for stuff like WebMacro.
>
> Have you *actually* looked at WebMacro?
Of course!
> >XML is the future.
>
> Totally agree!
>
> >If you aren't using it you are
> > seriously limiting your potential.
>
> ***Hype alert!***
> I think you limit your potential more if you use it for the sake of using it
> rather
> than when it makes sense.
I am not using it for Hype. I don't read Oracle.com and then proclaim
everything is XML. The truth is that there is a lot of hype but. There
is probably more value in XML than anything that has been hyped before
(Java, Internet, etc)
> WebMacro has a pretty large following, I think it's integration and use in
> Turbine
> will help Turbine's popularity and adoption.
>
> However,I do think we should actively look at how to nicely fit XML into Turbine
> so as more folks get up to speed and adopt it we'll be ready. And eventually
> it'll be the default presentation mechanism.
>
+1.
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