On Mon, Jul 03, 2000 at 03:45:06PM -0700, Jon Stevens wrote:
> I would actually go for making WM the default. In other words, essentially,
> we are dropping ECS as the default for WM. That is cool with me.
> 
> Note, we need to document the hell out of the fact that just because WM is
> the default it doesn't mean that Turbine can't be used in other ways.

Agreed. I'll do some documentation work when I've done these changes.
Apart from anything else we need to clear up the inconsitencies between
different version of Tomcat install instructions.

> What I am afraid of is some idiot coming along and making stupid claims
> saying that Turbine only works with WM and that it sucks as a result of
> that. Of course we would know this isn't true, it just needs to be stated. I
> was burned with this with regards to ECS for a while there until we had a
> working WM/FM integration.

Do we keep the basic ECS screens (DefaultScreen, Login etc), or remove
them, or move them to an example subdir? I would go for leaving them
there but switched off in TR.properties but then they are still exposed
which might not be satisfactory for Turbine users...

> Note that this is a simpler version of what I really want to see which is a
> downloadable package that includes Tomcat, Turbine and some Java based RDBMS
> (ie: instantdb) all packaged together so that you execute tomcat/bin/startup
> and off you go.

Absolutely - I want this too. These changes will be a step closer to
that, the rest should be a (fairly) simple matter of packaging.  

> > Jon, where did you get that crazy HTML? :-) Do you have a tool that
> > generates that stuff (please, tell me you do and you didn't craft it
> > by hand!). Anyway for the Turbine stuff I plan to make the
> > navigations a lot more basic so people don't get lost in the
> > details.
> 
> You mean the header/footer/nav stuff? I didn't do it by hand, I stole
> it from someone elses website, and please don't commit that into CVS.
> :-) It is missing the images which I haven't checked in anywhere.

Ah - yeah, I wondered why it looked a bit odd. Quite a cool effect
though :-)

> I would like it if you or someone would come up with a nice default Turbine
> look and feel for the header/footer/nav stuff.

I'll knock something simple together and then if anyone wants to spice
it up a bit they can... I'll give it a look I like - lots of grey TD
backgrounds like a lot of the Java Apache site, otherwise very simple
and clean.

-- 
Sean Legassick
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