At 05:13 26/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
>On Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:51:52AM -0700, Jon Stevens wrote:
>> Ok. Come merge with the Velocity project.
>
>Ok, on this condition: We rename the project Apache-Webmacro, we put in
>place the WebMacro code base, and we work on merging your better parser
>into WM's parsing framework (make it implement org.webmacro.parser and
>support the DirectiveBuilder architecture).
Although I have nothing to do with turbine or velocity I am going to have
to say I would hate this to happen. I would rant rave scream and shout to
any apache people who would listen. This should not happen and thankfully I
doubt ever will. A lot of people and corporations have donated a lot more
than you are donating. the parser/xsl processor/tomcat/etc were donated and
are much larger codebases. They had to change their package structure to
org.apache and I would doubt that any src code would ever be allowed on
apache cvs if it wasn't under org.apache. I am sure sun and ibm would have
prefered to have their name branded into apache code but that aint gonna
happen.
>I would like to lead the project, and I would like people commit to
>performance as a primary goal. There are a lot of design decisions in
>WM's core which as primary maintainer I'm not sure other people really
>understand and I'm a bit worried that people will break things without
>realizing it.
Okay this just comes off as completely arrogant. When you give code to
Apache ... it means you *give* code to apache. You can not and will not
attach strings and you can not and will not dictate design decisions.
Apache is a place of *sharing* - you share code and design. This *offer* of
yours does not smack of sharing at all now does it ?
I am sure people would love to see webmacro at apache. I haven't used it
before but I hear good things. However it can not be on your terms - it
will be on terms of whoever runs Apache (PLC ??).
If this is unacceptable then I wish you the best of luck - but Apache is
not the place for webmacro. It may be at first hard to do but when you
donate to apache you donate with no strings attached and hope for the best.
Most projects, I believe, acknowledge the original source of code but they
cease to be Suns Tomcat and begin to be Apaches Tomcat.
If webmacro was to become an Apache product then it would probably become
Apache-Webmacro and it would likely be under org.apache.webmacro but you
would have to release the reins from it and let others trounce about in
it's core.
Note that I have absoultly no say in this matter and have no influence on
this decision but this is just my opinion :). Thou I believe it may be
shared by others.
Cheers,
Pete
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