on 8/27/2000 5:11 PM, "Christian Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It seems that this has been debated to death, but I thought that I would try
> to bring into the picture the view of (at least) one developer (and company)
> that isn't as interested in modifying or developing  Turbine, WebMacro,
> Velocity et al. as in using them to create an application.  We are only 3
> weeks away from delivering a major product using Jetspeed/Turbine as the
> framework and you guys aren't helping me at all at this point.  Currently we
> are dependent on WebMacro for templating in our code base.

Actually, we are helping you out. Not only did I come up with a solution for
you, but it also prompted Justin to see the light.

> My biggest issue 
> has been the licensing issues with WebMacro that have prevented us from
> shipping our product which uses them.

You and me both dude. :-)

> Now it seems that Justin would like to
> fix that (belatedly).  However much I agree that its a little late in coming,
> it is a fix and gives me something to go on until Velocity is ready.  At this
> point, I am not counting on Velocity at all as no dates have been published
> (AFAIK) about when a production ready release will be ready.

As with all OSS projects, the more help we get, the sooner it will be ready.
:-) Hint hint.

> WebMacro 
> (despite its so-called bad parser) is a useable option and I would not like to
> see it's integration removed from Turbine as I will simply have to reimplement
> it.

I think that re-implment is a bad term given that it is already implemented.
I have already stated that we are not going to remove the WM code until we
can replace it with Velocity. On top of it, if we do remove it, there is
still no reason why I can't put the code up on Working-dogs.com.

> I would avoid making this change until Velocity becomes a viable (i.e.
> production ready) alternative.  Anything else is simply a hinderance to the
> ready acceptance of Turbine as a viable framework.

Please read my posts...I already stated that we shouldn't remove it until we
have a replacement that is working and viable.

-jon


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